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The AI field is moving at breakneck speed, but many companies still struggle with a fundamental challenge: turning their app into a sustainable, profitable business.

Your payments infrastructure is the foundation that determines whether you can scale globally, retain customers, and actually make money on each transaction. AI app builders face unique monetization challenges — from evolving regulations and taxes to the potential for more frequent chargebacks — that require more than a basic payment processor can solve for.

Below, we walk through:

FastSpring allows you to offload the complexity of global payments, VAT/GST and sales tax compliance, consumer payments support, and many other aspects of payments management. Spend less time managing your payments and compliance and more time building groundbreaking AI products! Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

Start With SaaS Fundamentals

At their most basic, the majority of AI apps are still fundamentally SaaS businesses. Whether it’s a monthly subscription to your writing assistant or an annual plan for your analytics platform, the majority of AI tools run on recurring revenue.

So while you may be selling AI services instead of project management software, the core monetization principles are similar to those of subscription businesses.

Before diving into AI-specific challenges, you should nail the basics — things such as:

  • Communicating well with customers around subscription terms, payments, and any changes to your business or delivery model.
  • Managing and mitigating churn.
  • Choosing a payment provider.

But subscriptions come with complexity. You also need to handle free trial conversions, manage failed payments through dunning processes, and deal with upgrades, downgrades, and cancellations.

Companies that have navigated this model (such as FastSpring customer Stardock) know you need a payment partner built specifically for subscription management — not just one that can process one-time charges.

Things to Consider When Selling Software or Apps Globally

When you’re selling AI apps worldwide, you need to solve several problems simultaneously:

Preferred payments and checkout that vary by region. Localized payment methods are critical for conversion. Customers expect to see prices in their currency and be able to pay using familiar methods. Customers in the U.S., for example, expect to see Apple Pay and Google Pay, while customers in Brazil prefer to pay with Pix, and customers in India want to use UPI.

Global tax calculation and remittance. If you’re selling digital services to customers based in the EU, you need to collect VAT at each buyer’s local rate and file those taxes accordingly. In the U.S., sales tax requirements vary state by state, and some states even let individual counties or cities set their own rates and rules. Each requires separate filing. Handling this yourself means registering with tax authorities in, potentially, hundreds of jurisdictions. Plus, you’re liable for any fines or penalties resulting from doing so incorrectly.

Data and platform governance. You need to process payment data securely according to regional requirements, meet data residency rules in certain jurisdictions, and maintain PCI compliance. These aren’t optional — they’re legal requirements that can shut you down or cost you hefty penalties if not followed.

Why You Want a Merchant of Record (Not Just a Payment Processor)

When choosing how to handle payments, your first and crucial choice is whether to use a basic payment service provider (PSP) or partner with a merchant of record (MoR).

A payment service provider (such as Stripe) gives you the tools to process transactions, but you remain legally responsible for every transaction. You’re in charge of calculating, collecting, and remitting taxes — in every jurisdiction where your customers live — and you carry the liability for any fraud. (Stripe is launching an MoR service, but how it will perform is still unknown.)

A merchant of record, on the other hand, becomes the legal seller of your product. FastSpring is an MoR, so we assume liability for transactions — meaning you can spend less time worrying about managing taxes and chargebacks and more time building a great product.

As the liable party for the sale, an MoR such as FastSpring handles:

  • Global tax compliance. You don’t need to figure out VAT rates across EU countries, navigate state-by-state sales tax rules in the U.S. (and in some cases even city-by-city variations), or file returns in those jurisdictions. An MoR automatically calculates, collects, and remits those taxes for you.
  • Consumer support for payment issues. When someone’s card declines or they have a billing question, your MoR’s support team handles it.
  • Fraud prevention and risk management. Using a simple payment service provider and acting as your own merchant of record could lead to less financial industry credibility, as AI services are often perceived as riskier than other tech verticals — and in turn, that could lead to lower approval rates. Conversely, the established credibility of an experienced merchant of record such as FastSpring (with over two decades of experience!) helps improve transaction approval rates, which means higher revenue and less headaches.
  • Checkout and payment localization. Instantly offer global payment localization including currency conversion, checkout translation, global tax management, and localized payment processing.
  • Global compliance. Your MoR maintains PCI-DSS certification, data protection regulations, and customer authentication requirements so you don’t have to. Learn more in FastSpring’s Trust Center.

FastSpring allows you to offload the complexity of global payments, VAT/GST and sales tax compliance, consumer payments support, and many other aspects of payments management. Spend less time managing your payments and compliance and more time building groundbreaking AI products! Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

Questions to Ask When Evaluating Payment Solutions

Before committing to a payment solution — be it a payment processor or merchant of record — ask these questions to help you evaluate:

  • Does it handle global tax collection and remittance automatically, or do you need to register, collect, and file in every jurisdiction where your customers live?
  • Which payment methods are supported? Can customers in your target market(s) use their preferred options?
  • How does it handle subscription management? What about usage-based or metered billing? Does it offer a portal for customers to self-manage subscriptions, billing, and payment methods on file?
  • Does providing consumer payment support fall to you or to your payment provider?
  • Does it integrate with your existing tech stack?
  • What are your actual, all-in costs — including processing fees, tax filing, compliance management, and operational overhead? 

What Makes AI Different: Unique Monetization Challenges

Once you’ve nailed the fundamentals for subscription-based businesses, you can begin to grapple with the unique challenges of monetizing an AI app.

Operating in a Young, High-Growth Market = Constant Change

AI companies are scaling globally faster than almost any previous software category. You’re not gradually expanding into new markets over several years — you’re able to serve customers worldwide pretty much from day one.

This creates challenges that more mature software categories simply didn’t face when they were at the same stage. Burgeoning AI companies are now faced with:

  • Regulatory landscapes that vary dramatically by region, especially as they apply to digital services businesses. Evolving tax regulations (especially on digital goods or services) create compliance requirements that change based on where your customers are located — and these regulations will continue to emerge, grow, and evolve across the globe. For example, in 2024, five U.S. states simplified their criteria for tax nexus, which meant more businesses might meet the criteria for nexus sooner than they expected to — including digital goods businesses. And in 2025, the Philippines extended its VAT legislation to cover digital services supplied by foreign companies to consumers in the Philippines. If you use an MoR such as FastSpring, the MoR will worry about staying up to date with those types of regulations so you don’t have to.
  • Evolving customer expectations and pricing norms. Unlike established software categories where pricing patterns are well understood, AI pricing is more fluid. Customers aren’t yet sure what they should pay, and you may not be sure what you should charge. To quickly and easily pivot your pricing as needed, choose a payment partner with agile pricing tools. For instance, FastSpring’s flexible Store Builder Library makes it easy for software and app sellers to update their product pricing quickly.
  • Overly cautious payment processors. As we mentioned above, because the category is new and patterns aren’t established, some payment processors may be more likely to treat AI as high-risk. But since FastSpring processes billions of dollars across numerous software categories and has been for 20+ years, partnering with us means that you’ll benefit from better approval rates. Banks see transactions coming from a known, trusted entity with a proven track record, not an unproven AI startup.
  • Technical challenges with usage-based billing. Unlike SaaS products that have been more commonly monetized with traditional monthly or annual subscriptions, AI services are particularly well served by usage-based billing, so support for that feature is something you’ll likely want from a monetization partner. If you want to be able to charge users in combination with real-time metering and tracking of usage, your backend needs to integrate with your payment systems. FastSpring supports usage-based billing through API integration and webhooks.

Monetizing AI Web Apps vs. AI Mobile Apps

Your monetization strategy will differ depending on whether you’re building a web app, a mobile app, or both.

AI Web Apps: The Direct Approach

Web-based AI apps have built-in advantages for monetization:

  • No mandatory iOS and Android platform fees.
  • Full control over the customer relationship.
  • Direct access to first-party customer data.

To make web monetization work, you need:

  • An optimized checkout experience with multiple payment methods, localized currencies, and trust signals that convince customers you’re legitimate and secure.
  • A subscription management portal where customers can self-serve to upgrade, downgrade, view usage, update payment methods, and access their billing history.
  • Integration flexibility through APIs for usage-based billing, webhooks for entitlements, and backend system connections that tie everything together.

FastSpring’s JavaScript Store Builder Library lets you quickly create a branded, seamless checkout experience that feels native to your app environment, while handling all the back-end complexity for you.

AI Mobile Apps: The App2Web Opportunity

If you’re building a mobile AI app, you’re facing 15-30% platform fees that eat into your margins. For AI apps with high compute costs, losing nearly a third of revenue to platform fees can strain the calculus at best  —  or make the economics totally unworkable at worst.

But that’s the cost of doing business with iOS and Android, right?

Not necessarily.

With app2web and web2app monetization strategies, you can sell an AI app outside popular app stores. You can recover some of that lost revenue by building a web store to monetize via the web and offering customers some kind of incentive — discounts, upgrades, in-app usage bonuses, etc. — for buying directly from you.

By doing so, you:

  • Minimize the transactions on which you incur those hefty commission fees.
  • Gain access to valuable first-party customer data that enables smarter acquisition campaigns, personalized promotions, and better lifecycle marketing.
  • Improve margins, which is crucial when you’re paying for compute on every transaction.

While regulations around in-app steering and promotion of outside payment options vary from region to region and are ever evolving, you can always:

  • Distribute your product through a web store. Selling your app’s solution directly to your consumers through your own store is an increasingly common and effective monetization strategy.
  • Market your web store outside the app through social media, Discord communities, Reddit threads, email campaigns, and other channels where you aren’t restricted by app store rules.
  • Build a web presence for existing users, and incentivize web store visits through exclusive offers or better pricing.

Making User Acquisition Smarter With First-Party Data

When you monetize through the web, you unlock first-party data that holds the power to supercharge your user acquisition strategy.

You can track attribution accurately, understanding which campaigns drive conversions.

You gain access to email addresses, payment preferences, referral sources, and session behavior — data points that enable sophisticated segmentation.

Then you can turn that valuable data into:

  • Localized user acquisition strategies with geographic and behavioral segmentation, region-specific pricing and promotions, and language/payment method optimization.
  • Targeted social campaigns where you build custom audiences from web purchasers, create lookalike audiences based on high-intent users, and retarget with actual conversion data instead of guesswork.
  • Email marketing automation that drives users to web purchases, re-engages lapsed customers, and converts free users to paid plans.

Monetize Your AI App With FastSpring

FastSpring is built specifically for digital-first businesses that need to monetize globally, without getting bogged down building their own global payments infrastructures — or cobbling them together via disparate payment tools.

Our platform offers:

  • Complete merchant of record services covering global tax compliance across 200+ jurisdictions, local payment methods and currencies, fraud prevention and risk management, and PCI compliance and data security.
  • AI-friendly billing capabilities including out-of-the-box subscription management, flexible product catalog management, multiple pricing models (flat, tiered, hybrid), and support for usage-based billing (with proper integration).
  • Developer-first integration through RESTful APIs for backend connections, webhooks for real-time event notifications, our JavaScript Store Builder Library, integration with RevenueCat for mobile apps, and backend integration for usage-based billing.
  • Customizable checkout experiences with branded checkout; your choice of embedded, pop-up, or web storefront experiences support for trials, coupons, and promotions; and management of multiple subscription tiers.
  • Fast implementation with quick setup for standard configurations, flexibility for complex requirements, pre-existing  compliance infrastructure, and the ability to focus your engineering resources on AI instead of payments.

FastSpring helps AI app developers navigate the complexity of global monetization and scale successfully. We’ve spent over 20 years helping digital-first companies grow, and we’ve built our platform specifically for businesses like yours.

FastSpring allows you to offload the complexity of global payments, VAT/GST and sales tax compliance, consumer payments support, and many other aspects of payments management. Spend less time managing your payments and compliance and more time building groundbreaking AI products! Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

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Maximizing Subscription Value With FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention Feature https://fastspring.com/blog/maximizing-subscription-value-with-fastsprings-trial-hopping-prevention-feature/ Fri, 10 Apr 2026 17:15:00 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=31259 Learn how FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention feature is designed to protect businesses from misuse while maintaining a fair experience for genuine users.

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Free trials are a fantastic way to attract new users and showcase the value of your product. However, repeated exploitation of cardless free trials — known as “trial hopping” — can make them vulnerable to abuse. FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention feature is designed to protect your business from such misuse while maintaining a fair experience for genuine users.

3 Key Benefits of FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention Feature

1. It Prevents Abuse

Repeated exploitation of free trials can lead to revenue loss and skewed metrics, making it harder to gauge genuine interest in your product. FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention feature helps prevent users from repeatedly accessing free trials, protecting the integrity of your trial strategy and supporting healthier subscription performance.

2. It Delivers a Fair Trial Experience

Providing a free trial should be about allowing genuine users to explore your product and determine if it’s right for them. Trial hopping can undermine this experience by filling your trial funnel with non-serious users. Trial hopping prevention helps maintain a fair experience for customers sincerely exploring your product.

3. It Encourages Conversions

When free trials are limited to genuine first-time use, users who see value in your product are more likely to upgrade to a paid subscription to maintain access. By restricting repeated free trials, this feature can help support better trial-to-paid conversion outcomes.

How Does the Trial Hopping Prevention Feature Work?

FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention feature helps reduce repeated free-trial abuse by preventing the same email from being used for unlimited retrials, helping guide repeat trial attempts toward a paid plan instead. Businesses can enable the setting within their store’s subscription configuration as part of their broader subscription strategy.

Best Practices for Leveraging the Trial Hopping Prevention Feature

Communicate Clear Policies

Transparency is key to maintaining trust with your users. Clearly outline your trial policies, including any restrictions, in your terms of service and marketing materials. This helps set expectations and reduces the likelihood of misunderstandings.

Use Incentives to Encourage Upgrades

To complement the Trial Hopping Prevention feature, consider offering incentives such as discounts or bonuses for users who transition from a free trial to a paid subscription. Highlight the value of your paid plans, and demonstrate how they can enhance the user’s experience.

Monitor Trial Metrics

Track trial-to-paid conversion rates and analyze user behavior during trials. FastSpring’s Trials dashboard can help you monitor signup volume, conversion performance, and lifecycle trends so you can refine your trial strategy over time.

Combine With Other Retention Strategies

Pair the Trial Hopping Prevention feature with other retention-focused tools, such as Pause a Subscription or a cancellation survey, to maximize customer satisfaction and reduce churn.

Protect Your Business and Enhance Customer Experience

FastSpring’s Trial Hopping Prevention feature empowers businesses to maintain the integrity of their free trial offerings while supporting stronger conversion outcomes. By preventing abuse, ensuring fairness, and encouraging upgrades, this feature helps you deliver value to genuine users and protect your subscription revenue.

FAQs

Does this affect trials with payment methods or paid trials?

No. It applies only to free trials without payment methods. For broader trial setup options, see Set Up Trial Subscriptions.

Is Prevent Trial Hopping supported on embedded checkouts?

No. Prevent Trial Hopping works only on popup and web checkouts, not embedded checkouts.

Partner With FastSpring

FastSpring provides an all-in-one payment and subscription platform for thousands of SaaS, software, video games, and digital products businesses, including VAT, GST, and sales tax management, payment localization, and consumer support. 

Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

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AI-Powered Answers, Right in the Docs https://fastspring.com/blog/ai-powered-answers-right-in-the-docs/ Mon, 09 Mar 2026 19:29:00 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=31160 FastSpring’s new AI-powered search lets you get clear guidance in conversation format, so you can explore topics without starting over.

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Finding answers in documentation just got a lot easier. Our new AI search lets you get clear guidance quickly while keeping the conversation flowing — so you can explore topics without starting over.

Example: You want to create a subscription. You can ask:

“How do I create a subscription?”

The AI responds with step-by-step guidance:

“To create a subscription, go to Catalog > Subscription Plans and click Create Subscription. You will need to define the price and interval.”

From there, you can follow up:

“Can you explain the interval options in more detail?”

The AI keeps context and replies:

“Certainly. The interval determines how often the customer is billed. You can choose Adhoc, Day, Week, Month, or Year.”

This conversational approach helps you explore features in depth without having to repeat questions or scroll through multiple pages.

Key features of the new AI search:

  • Context-Aware Follow-Ups: Keep the AI “in the loop” so follow-ups build on previous answers.
  • Use Your Own AI Tools: On any doc page, you can use your own ChatGPT or Claude with that page’s content as context and even copy Markdown for internal use.
  • Faster Navigation: Quickly find the right docs and related topics without guesswork.

Note: The AI works from documented content only. If a topic isn’t covered yet, it may not have an answer. Documentation remains the source of truth.

The new AI search turns documentation into a conversation — making answers faster, exploration easier, and learning more intuitive.

Explore the Ask AI documentation to discover features, tips, and best practices.

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Beyond the App Store: A Guide to App2Web Mobile Monetization https://fastspring.com/blog/beyond-the-app-store-a-guide-to-app2web-mobile-monetization/ Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:20:42 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=31147 A guide to app2web monetization: the regulatory landscape, the benefits of app2web, how to monetize your app, and how FastSpring can help.

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Key Takeaways About App2Web Mobile Monetization:

  • App2web flows enable mobile app and mobile game developers to steer users to their own external web store to complete transactions outside the “walled gardens” of Apple’s App Store and the Google Play Store.
  • Doing so allows developers to avoid hefty commissions paid to app stores — but also to more directly own their relationship with users and gather invaluable first-party data.
  • Steer Safe™ from FastSpring offers a quick, simple way to launch app2web with secure, localized checkout and the most popular global payment methods.

For over a decade, the mobile app economy was defined by the walled gardens of two tech behemoths: Apple’s App Store and the Google Play Store. For developers of digital-first businesses — including mobile apps and mobile games — hefty commission fees of 15% to 30% were par for the course, a necessary evil to gain access to these marketplaces and consumers who frequent them.

Today, that’s changing. A series of landmark legal rulings and shifting regulations around the world are breaking down those walls, making mobile monetization outside of app stores possible and offering developers a way around those hefty fees.

App2web flows, which steer users from within an app to your external web store to complete a purchase, are a big part of that.

Below, we cover:

Prefer to watch a video presentation about app2web monetization? Our experts presented an earlier version of this content at a Business of Apps event in Oct. 2025. Watch the full video here.

FastSpring is how gaming studios and mobile app makers sell in more places around the world. For over two decades, FastSpring has been a payment provider you can use to sell apps, games, or in-game items on your website, web shop, or embedded directly into your app with fully customizable and branded checkouts just for you. FastSpring allows you to offload the complexity of global payments, VAT and sales tax compliance, player payments support, and many other aspects of payments management. Spend less time managing your payments and compliance and more time making great apps! Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

The Shifting Regulatory Landscape Around App Stores and Mobile Monetization

The transition to web-based monetization is powered by a number of legal decisions that have redefined what steering looks like for mobile developers. These rulings have effectively legalized and protected the practice of guiding users to a website to find a better deal or additional options.

These changes mean that, for the first time, you can explicitly message users in-app about better deals or exclusive content available on your own web store without fear of account suspension.

Why Go App2Web? (Hint: It’s About More Than Fees)

While saving on marketplace commissions is a significant driver, they aren’t the only reason top-tier developers want to sell outside app stores. In a 2025 survey of mobile gaming companies, top reasons for adopting a direct-to-consumer (D2C) web store included:

  • Improved access to customer data and insights.
  • More control over pricing and promotions.
  • Improved brand visibility and loyalty.
  • The opportunity to build a direct relationship with players.
A bar graph showing the 5 stack ranked reasons why those already doing D2C chose to do so.

Read the results of our entire gaming industry survey here.

The Value of First-Party Data

When a user transacts through a traditional app store, the marketplace owns the relationship, often providing the developer with anonymized data only. By moving the transaction to your web store, you capture the most valuable piece of data for any business: the customer’s email address.

Having direct access to user data — including geography, platform, language, name, and purchase history — allows you to move from reactive to proactive marketing. You can implement automated onboarding flows, renewal reminders, and win-back campaigns to enhance adoption, promote loyalty, and mitigate churn.

Solving the Attribution Gap

One of the greatest challenges in mobile marketing is the attribution gap created by walled garden ecosystems. Web stores allow you to embed tracking pixels from platforms such as Meta and Google — so you can see exactly which ad campaigns drive paid conversions, rather than just app installs.

This feedback loop is essential for optimizing your ad spend, allowing you to double down on high-performing campaigns and create lookalike audiences based on your best customers.

Pricing and Bundling Flexibility

The web offers freedom and flexibility that app stores just can’t match. On your web store, you can experiment with tiered pricing, custom bundles, or loyalty rewards, with no requirement that they fit into Apple or Google’s rigid SKU structures.

For example, you might offer a “Buy Direct” bonus, such as offering a discounted subscription  or a month of free service, to incentivize the jump to your web store.

How to Launch App2Web in the US

Launching app2web monetization doesn’t require building a massive ecommerce platform. You can start with a simple, secure checkout loop that integrates with your existing back-end systems.

Step 1: Add In-App Buy Buttons

Place clear calls to action (CTA) buy buttons in appropriate places within your app or game — such as your paywall, your in-game store, or a settings menu — that link to your checkout experience or web store.

In the U.S., you can use explicit messaging such as “Buy direct and save” to guide users.

Overlapped screenshots of a mobile phone showing an app with an enlarged blue Buy Direct on Web button popped out for emphasis.

Step 2: Pass Dynamic URL Variables

To ensure the transition is seamless, your app needs to pass data over to your web store. When a user taps the Buy button, use dynamic URL variables to pass their User ID, product tokens, and authentication details to the back-end system.

This allows your web store to recognize the user instantly without requiring them to log in again and adding unnecessary friction to the checkout process. It helps you track who that person is, what they’re doing, and their entitlements.

Then you can use that data to leverage segmentation, for example, or to offer promotions or discounts as related to that user.

Step 3: Localized Web Checkout

With web checkout, you can control the design, data collection, and payment methods you accept. It doesn’t have to be complicated — it can be as simple as your logo, the product they’re purchasing, and the payment methods offered.

It’s crucial to offer localized payment methods that are familiar to your users in different jurisdictions. For example, U.S. users are familiar with mobile wallets such as Apple Pay and Google Pay, which offer quick, seamless checkout for them. In Brazil, users may prefer Pix, while in India, UPI (Unified Payments Interface) is more popular.

Beyond payment methods, your web checkout may also need to be translated into other languages and prices converted into the user’s currency.

Step 4: Communicate With Back-End Systems to Allow In-App Entitlements

Once the purchase is complete, your commerce platform sends a signal — typically via a webhook or API — to your back-end.

Your internal systems then update the user’s account and unlock the digital product or subscription. At the same time, a deep link redirects the user back to your app, where the purchase is reflected in near real-time — as few as 10-15 seconds.

In-App Steering With Steer Safe™ From FastSpring

In addition to circumventing app store fees and collecting user data, another key goal of the flow is driving value for your users. That means creating a smooth, secure loop where the user finishes their checkout on the web, your systems automatically sync, and the app reflects the purchase in near real-time.

If all of that sounds a bit complicated to pull off, FastSpring can help. Our approach to app2web steering — called Steer Safe™ — makes it simple for you to steer users from in-app experiences to secure, localized checkout, and back to your app, all in a matter of seconds. It’s a much faster and easier way to deploy app2web as soon as possible.

A gif showing the flow for a user making a purchase on an android phone using Steer Safe for mobile apps.

It’s back-end agnostic — meaning it works with whatever back-end system you’re using — and is available for both iOS and Android mobile apps.

Learn more about Steer Safe™ from FastSpring.

Leveraging Your App2Web First-Party Data

When you’re just operating in app stores, it can be very challenging to identify who your users are, collect their email addresses, and create a conversation with them. By using the app2web flow, you unlock a lot of that data.

Once you’ve established that direct line to your customers through your web store, you can transform your growth strategy from generic to highly personalized.

Ad Targeting and Retargeting

With a web store, you’re no longer flying blind. By connecting your first-party data to your ad platforms, you can:

  • Identify high-value campaigns: Know which creative assets and which audiences are driving the most revenue.
  • Automate targeting: Ad platforms like Google and Meta can automatically use this data — along with their own algorithms — to better target your ads to the users most likely to convert.
  • Effective retargeting: Show ads specifically to users who visited your web store but didn’t complete a purchase.
  • Build “lookalike” audiences: Upload your list of converted web buyers to find new users with similar characteristics.

Email Marketing

Your email list is your most direct channel for retention, and — as we mentioned above — email addresses are the most valuable piece of data you can collect via app2web.

When you connect this and other first-party data to your email marketing platform, you can easily tailor and target your email campaigns.

  • Personalized onboarding: Send tutorials and tips based on the specific product or bundle they purchased.
  • Automated renewals: Remind subscription users of upcoming renewals with a link to manage their account on the web.
  • Win-back and re-engagement flows: If a user hasn’t logged in for 30 days, trigger an email offer with a web-exclusive discount to bring them back.
  • Segmentation: Segment users to deliver the right message, to the right people, at exactly the right time.

Monetizing With Web2App In Addition to App2Web

Whether you’re in a region where app2web isn’t allowed, or you simply want to improve revenue and user acquisition, web2app is a valuable addition to your toolbox.

This flow creates a funnel through which you can drive user acquisition, and helps avoid fees on the app store. To do this, you’ll need a few parts: social ads or organic posts, a website landing page, and a checkout.

Instead of using the app store as your primary user acquisition channel, you can leverage paid social platforms like Meta, TikTok, or Google Search to send traffic directly to your website. Instead of being reliant solely on the app store listing, you can take ownership of the entire user journey.

When a user clicks on an ad, they land on a high-converting page you’ve designed without the distractions — or limitations — of the app store pages. This also allows you to implement other features like robust A/B testing, pixel tracking, and retargeting strategies that contribute to additional access to user data.

Then at checkout, you gain the benefit of bypassing the standard 15%-30% platform commissions and can offer features on your site that decrease customer churn, such as saved payment methods and account management. You can also offer flexible pricing, bundle products, or discounts that wouldn’t be otherwise feasible if you were paying the cut to the app store.

Once the transaction is finished, you’ll send your user to an app store page link to download and log in, where their purchase is already waiting for them.

Ultimately, this strategy transforms your app from a discovery-dependent product into a conversion-focused powerhouse, where you’re able to control user acquisition from channels outside of the app marketplaces while still keeping the flows that already work for you.

Other Web2App Tips

Funnels aren’t the only way you can improve user acquisition on your website with web2app. Below are a few more tips for how you can use it to improve website conversions and user acquisition:

Incentivizing the Web Visit

To encourage users to leave the app and visit your site, offer additional value that isn’t available in the mobile app interface:

  • Additional free assets: Templates, PDFs, exclusive in-app themes, or resource libraries.
  • Industry content: Educational content, industry insights, and tutorials.
  • Site-exclusive events: Webinars, livestreams, Q&As, or site-exclusive challenges.
  • Community: Forums, community showcases, leaderboards, etc.
  • Loyalty rewards: Badges or loyalty currency for in-app purchases.
  • Reports and tracking: Exportable data summaries and personalized dashboards.

How to Launch Web2App Store Flows

  1. Create a product page with the products available to purchase for your customers. If you only offer a single product, this can be a single, simple page. For more extensive product catalogs, a full web store may work better.
  2. Integrate the checkout experience into your product page as a simple pop-up checkout, for example, or a more customizable embedded checkout. A shopping cart feature may be worthwhile if you offer many products or add-ons.
  3. Process user payments on your web store using Apple Pay, Google Pay, and other popular, preferred, and localized payment methods, depending on the jurisdictions where your users live.
  4. Communicate with back-end systems via webhooks and APIs to allow in-app entitlements — confirm purchases, deliver subscriptions, unlock content, etc. — and send users back to the app as quickly as possible following a purchase.

When done well, checkout should feel like a part of a more holistic experience that users have with your brand. Ensuring the process is seamless and quick — and that the design is consistent across your app, web store, and checkout flow — will help guide users through the payment process and mitigate any drop-off or abandonment.

One Connected Commerce Experience With FastSpring

App2web isn’t a standalone channel or strategy. Think of it more like an additive layer to your existing app and web strategy.

Together, app2web and web2app flows unlock new revenue and richer first-party data. It’s not just about billing, but about developing a direct relationship with your users.

The question is no longer whether you should launch direct monetization on your website, but how quickly you can get it live to start owning your customer relationships. With FastSpring, it’s easier than ever to connect app2web and web2app flows to your app, helping you convert more, everywhere.

FastSpring is how gaming studios and mobile app makers sell in more places around the world. For over two decades, FastSpring has been a payment provider you can use to sell apps, games, or in-game items on your website, web shop, or embedded directly into your app with fully customizable and branded checkouts just for you. FastSpring allows you to offload the complexity of global payments, VAT and sales tax compliance, player payments support, and many other aspects of payments management. Spend less time managing your payments and compliance and more time making great apps! Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

Frequently Asked Questions About App2Web Monetization for Mobile Developers

What Is App2Web and How Does It Benefit Mobile Developers?

App2web flows enable mobile app and mobile game developers to steer users to their own external web shop to complete transactions outside the walled gardens of Apple’s App Store and the Google Play Store.

Benefits for developers include:

  • Improved access to customer data and insights.
  • More control over pricing and promotions.
  • Improved brand visibility and loyalty.
  • The opportunity to build a direct relationship with players.

Can I Steer iOS and Android Users to My Web Store?

As of this writing, direct and explicit steering is allowed for users in the U.S. and Japan.

For users outside these jurisdictions, developers can deploy web2app flows: Instead of linking directly to a payment page, you can steer users to non-payment pages — i.e., pages that provide some non-transactional value.

It’s less direct, but this strategy works as a one-two punch: you bring them to the web for content, and once they have an account, you can market the store to them directly.

Ready to try FastSpring? Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

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A Crawl-Walk-Run Guide to Global Pricing and Packaging for Games https://fastspring.com/blog/a-crawl-walk-run-guide-to-global-pricing-and-packaging-for-games/ Thu, 26 Feb 2026 21:17:31 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=31145 A crawl-walk-run approach to using your game’s global P&P strategies to get value for both you and your players — without making them angry.

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Game publishers often strive to build expansive worlds with fluid economies, yet many publishers are finding that player experience and real-world profit potential are often stifled by rigid, “cookie-cutter” web store strategies that don’t take into account the global nature of modern gaming.

For example, using a one-size-fits-all approach to pricing and packaging tends to be less fair for players located in countries with lower disposable income, which also limits your ability to increase revenue and profit driven by players in those countries.

We know there is potential to make things more fair for players and increase profits at the same time — but how can we localize pricing without making players angry at a lack of pricing parity between countries?

In this article, we explore how optimizing global pricing and packaging is a delicate balance between driving transaction volume, profitability, and pricing parity. We’ll take you through a crawl-walk-run approach to finding the best formula for your game’s global P&P strategies that can deliver the most value to you and your players — without making them angry.

The ROI of Global Flexibility

Optimizing for profitability with your global P&P strategy is a fairly straightforward concept. The lower your price is in any particular country, the more transaction volume you’ll have, but with a lower profitability per transaction. If your transaction volume increases enough, your total profit for that country will increase, even if your profit per transaction is lower. Easy peasy.

The more complex part of global P&P is when pricing parity across countries is considered. 

For example, gaming is a global and social business. Your players are everywhere and likely interact with each other on Discord, Reddit, or other social media. If you offer players in India a lower price than you offer to players in the U.S., then your U.S. players may learn of your lack of pricing parity between countries and get angry with you. They may even try to game the system by using VPNs or other techniques to try to get access to the lower pricing. Not so easy… peasy.

So how do you localize your P&P globally to maximize profits without making players angry? 

I like to recommend a crawl-walk-run approach to price localization, starting with the least aggressive options and testing into more aggressive options over time.

Global Pricing and Packaging Strategies

(Ordered by Least to Most Aggressive)

  1. No Localization: You offer the same currency and price globally.
  1. Localized Currencies: You charge the same price in all countries, but offer local currencies pegged to the current exchange rate for that currency.

Pro tip: Changing prices frequently due to shifting exchange rates can be confusing for players. I recommend evaluating exchange rates about once a year to set prices instead of changing prices frequently or dynamically. That said, you should take note that exchange rates can change quickly depending on the country and world events, so prices that make sense in January might not make as much sense in March.

  1. Localized Discounts and Promotions: You offer the same products at the same list price (adjusted for local currencies) in all countries, but you offer a limited time discount for that country (e.g., “We’re celebrating our growth in India with 20% off our June battle pass for India-based players!”). Players tend to be more forgiving of celebratory regional discounts causing a lack of price parity vs. a lack of parity for everyday list prices.

Pro tip: Use geo localization on your web store to gate offers to only show to players located in the countries you’re targeting. You can use IP addresses or the player’s billing address (for logged in players) to power geo localization on your web store.

  1. Localized Products: You offer slightly different products for a lower price in specific countries (e.g. “Buy BattlePass Lite for a 50% discount. Excludes bonus skins included in the main battle pass.”). The logic behind this strategy is that if players in one country notice a cheaper price in another country, you can point out that this is because those players get less for that price. Lower price = less entitlements.

Pro tip: Try acknowledging that you’re offering players in certain countries cheaper options with less entitlements to help all players enjoy your game regardless of their access to disposable income. There’s nothing sneaky or wrong about trying to be inclusive and fair.

  1. Localized Pricing: You offer the same products globally, but price differently per country. This is the most extreme example, in which your battle pass costs maybe $20 in the U.S., but only the equivalent of $5 in India. This comes with the greatest risk of player dissatisfaction due to the lack of price and value parity between countries for the same product.

Pro tip: As the most aggressive approach, this should be the last option you experiment with; however, this approach also offers the highest degree of control when optimizing for profits within a specific country. Additionally, if you are monetizing a casual game where players rarely if ever speak with each other, you may have lower risk of localized pricing causing players to be angry at a lack of price parity between countries.

So, What Is the Best Approach for YOUR Game?

The best global P&P strategy for your game — and your players — depends on a near-infinite number of variables, from your type of game, the type of in-game items for sale, player concentrations, and so on. This means that the true best approach is to iteratively test, measure your results, and listen to your players at every step of your journey. 

My advice is to take a crawl-walk-run approach, starting at the top of the list of strategies above, and making your way down the list until your ability to drive profits clashes with your ability to keep players happy. Once you find the right global P&P strategies, the result should be a more fair experience for your players and higher profits for you.

If you’d like help with monetizing your game D2C including advice on your global P&P strategies, request a FastSpring demo or check out FastSpring for gaming.

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2025 Year-End US Tax Reporting With FastSpring https://fastspring.com/blog/2025-year-end-us-tax-reporting-with-fastspring/ Mon, 12 Jan 2026 16:00:00 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=31046 Key reminders for year-end tax reporting whether your business is based in the U.S. or elsewhere, including Forms 1099-K, W-8, and W-9.

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FastSpring acts as your merchant of record, meaning we handle the assessment, collection, filing, and remittance of sales tax, VAT, GST, and other transaction-based taxes on all transactions processed through our platform.

This does not replace your responsibility to report income earned through FastSpring. You’re still responsible for meeting any local income reporting requirements in your country.

Under IRS regulations, FastSpring is required to report certain payment transactions to the IRS. As a result, FastSpring will issue Form 1099-K to U.S. sellers who meet the applicable IRS reporting thresholds.

Where Can I Find My Total Earnings?

To view your year-to-date gross sales:

  • Go to FastSpring App Dashboard > Account Summary.
  • Weekly Summary Reports, when totaled, show your Gross Sales for the calendar year.

Gross Sales are calculated as gross proceeds minus discounts, returns, and FastSpring fees. Taxes are excluded, where applicable.

For more detailed reporting, you can also use Payout Statements, which include orders, refunds, fees, chargebacks, and adjustments.

Where to Find Your Payout Statements

Payout statements are available in the FastSpring App Dashboard:

  1. Go to Account Summary.
  2. Select Payout History.

From there:

  • Click a date range under Payout Cycle to view a specific payout.
  • Select Generate Statements to create monthly or annual statements.
  • Use the download icon to save or share statements.

These statements are commonly used for reconciliation and year-end tax preparation.

1099-K Reporting: What’s Current for 2025 Reporting Year

Under updated IRS guidance, Form 1099-K is generally issued to U.S. sellers only if both of the following thresholds are met:

  • More than $20,000 in gross payments, and
  • More than 200 transactions in a calendar year.

Receiving a 1099-K does not mean you owe additional tax. The form reports gross proceeds, not net taxable income. You are taxed on net income after refunds, fees, and allowable deductions.

For more information, please see our Tax information reporting: Form 1099-K page. 

Update Your Tax Information (W-8 / W-9)

All sellers are required to complete and maintain a valid Form W-9 (U.S. sellers) or Form W-8 (non-U.S. sellers) in the FastSpring dashboard.

Sellers must promptly review and update their tax information whenever there is a change that could affect tax reporting or withholding, including but not limited to:

  • A change in legal entity name or classification.
  • A change in tax residency or country of incorporation.
  • A change in authorized signatory.
  • A change in permanent address or business address.
  • Any other change that impacts the accuracy of the information provided on the W-9 or W-8.

Failure to keep tax information current may result in incorrect tax reporting, backup withholding, or delays in payment processing.

To update your tax information:

  1. Log in to the FastSpring App.
  2. Go to Account Summary > Manage Tax Information.
  3. Complete or update your W-8 or W-9.

If your tax details or mailing address change after a 1099-K is issued, contact
support@fastspring.com.

Quick Tips for a Smooth Year End

  • Track earnings consistently using weekly summaries and payout statements.
  • Understand gross vs. net income when reviewing 1099-K data.
  • Keep records of refunds, fees, and expenses.
  • Reach out early if you need help accessing reports or tax documents.

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Your Cyber Weekend Game Plan: Maximize Conversions and Minimize Stress https://fastspring.com/blog/your-cyber-weekend-game-plan-maximize-conversions-and-minimize-stress/ Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:00:00 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=30757 A step-by-step Cyber Weekend ecommerce game plan from FastSpring to help you stay ahead of the competition and maximize every opportunity.

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Cyber Weekend isn’t just Cyber Weekend anymore — it’s the kickoff to an extended season of opportunity. What used to be a single sales surge has grown into weeks of elevated demand, where preparation determines lasting success. 

At FastSpring, we’re here to help you handle the surge, delight customers, and maximize sales well beyond the weekend itself.

Here’s your step-by-step game plan to stay ahead of the competition and maximize every opportunity.

1. Lock In Website Performance

  • Stress-Test Your Site: Simulate peak traffic to make sure your store won’t slow down or crash.
  • Streamline the Checkout: Eliminate friction so shoppers can move from cart to confirmation in seconds. Reduce checkout to as few clicks as possible — no unnecessary forms or fields — and offer plenty of different payment methods.

2. Play to Win With Conversions

  • Optimize Product Pages: Use A/B testing to refine layouts, calls-to-action, and copy.
  • Maximize Conversation Rates: Offer local currencies, payment methods, and regionalized experiences. The more familiar the journey, the higher the likelihood of conversion.

3. Prep Your Fulfillment and Inventory

  • Forecast With Data: Review past sales to anticipate this year’s best sellers.
  • Stock up on Licenses: Ensure that you have sufficient licenses uploaded to meet the increased demand.
  • Check Your Systems: Confirm fulfillment workflows are ready to deliver without bottlenecks.

4. Create Offers That Stand Out

  • Bundle and Discount: Craft compelling promotions and bundles that shoppers can’t ignore.
  • Offer Smart Coupons: Use multi-discount options and FastSpring’s Combine Discounts feature for maximum impact.

5. Run Practice Drills: Test Everything (Twice!)

  • Be Thorough: Products, coupons, checkout flows, and license keys — test them all.
  • Prepare for Scale: One small glitch at scale can cost a lot of money. Don’t leave it to chance.

6. Kick Off Marketing Early

  • Go Live Before the Rush: Launch campaigns now — across email, social, and ads.
  • Build Buzz: Use countdowns, sneak peeks, and reminders to generate excitement.

7. Defend Against Threats

  • Secure Your Site: Cyber threats spike with higher traffic. Protect your data and your shoppers.
  • Trust FastSpring’s Defence: Our fraud prevention engine is your shield at checkout.

8. Coach Your Support Team

  • Prepare for Game Day: Train your team to resolve payment and order questions fast.
  • Tap Into FastSpring: Keep customer interactions seamless with our extensive resources. From detailed documentation to OwlBot, our AI-powered support tool, we’ve got everything you need to resolve queries quickly and confidently.

9. Manage Payment Hurdles

  • Expect Some Declines: High volume = higher likelihood of declines.
  • Have a Backup Plan: Guide customers to alternate payment methods while FastSpring filters out risky transactions.

10. Play the Long Game: Post-Purchase Retention

  • Follow Up Strong: Thank-you emails, loyalty discounts, and re-engagement campaigns build lasting connections.
  • Think Beyond the Weekend: Convert Cyber Weekend shoppers into holiday-season regulars and year-round fans.

FastSpring: Your Partner for the Full Season

Cyber Weekend is just the starting whistle. With FastSpring’s all-in-one payment platform — from checkout, to fraud protection, to global tax handling — you’ll be ready to win the weekend and the extended sales season ahead.

Sign up for a free account or request a demo today.

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EP36: The Hidden Science of Email: Authentication, Deliverability, and Trust https://fastspring.com/blog/the-hidden-science-of-email-authentication-deliverability-and-trust/ Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:00:00 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=30567 Hank Hoffmeier of Kickbox explains why email deliverability is no longer “set it and forget it” and how to fix common email campaign killers.

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Email marketing is often hailed as the highest-ROI channel — especially for SaaS and digital product companies. But what happens when your emails don’t even make it to the inbox?

In this episode of Growth Stage, we speak with Hank Hoffmeier, email deliverability evangelist at Kickbox, about how authentication, verification, and deliverability impact your bottom line. Listen to learn:

  • Why deliverability is no longer a “set it and forget it” process.
  • How to fix common mistakes that are silently killing your campaigns.

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Jesse Paliotto (00:04)

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Growth Stage podcast by FastSpring, where we discuss how digital product companies grow revenue, build meaningful products, increase the value of their business. I’m your host, Jesse Paliotto. I love being part of the community, and I love bringing the best of the community to you here on the podcast. Today we have with us Hank Hoffmeier from Kickbox. I’m so pumped to have him here. Email marketing is often hailed as the highest ROI channel for marketing, especially in SaaS and digital businesses.

But what happens when your emails don’t even make it to the inbox? So in this episode, we’re going to talk with Hank. He’s Director of Operations, but the email deliverability evangelist, more importantly, at Kickbox, about how authentication, verification, deliverability impacts your bottom line. So we’re going to learn why deliverability is no longer a set it and forget it process and how to fix common mistakes that could be silently killing your campaigns and communications. Hank, thanks so much for being here today, man. I really appreciate it.

Hank Hoffmeier (00:59)

Yeah, thanks for the invite. It’s exciting to be here and talk about email marketing and how it’s a crucial role for any type of company.

Jesse Paliotto (01:06)

Absolutely. I know we were joking for a second before we hit record that it can sometimes feel like the dark art off in the corner of like, how does that all happen? So today we’re gonna reveal the dark arts or whatever. I don’t know. Something like that. ⁓ Can you just to get us kind of into it, can you talk a little bit, why is email still such a high R— ROI channel? If I can spit that out, especially for SaaS companies or digital companies.

Hank Hoffmeier (01:31)

Interestingly enough, I like to do videos almost every day on various social media platforms, short form, and I did one this morning and it was a, did you know, and it was, did you know that email marketing, the first marketing email was sent in 1978 and made $13 million. And I was encouraging people, it’s Monday, but you might not make $13 million, but send an email. Yes, it is the marketing channel of choice by people that know what they’re looking at when it comes to numbers. Just the most affordable, provides the highest ROI,

and most importantly, and this is coming out more and more, I’ve heard it over the last few years, but more importantly, I’ve heard it in the last few months at conferences is it’s an owned audience. You own your audience. Of course you have to upload it to a platform to send emails, but you can take— it’s portable. If you’re on social media and you do something wrong or don’t do something wrong, but you get reported, you can have your account suspended, banned, or killed. You just lost that audience. It’s called rented land. A lot of people do marketing on rented land. On Facebook,

you know, if you’re running ads and then doing posts and boosting your posts and you get your account suspended, you just lost that audience. With email marketing, Like I said, you own that audience. You could stay in touch with them. You can make it feel like a personalized one-on-one conversation through the use of personalization and merge data. And it just, to me, it’s a no brainer to either just get started or go back and revisit what you’re doing. If you feel like that has fell off of a cliff or something.

more more I have these conversations and get people excited about bringing email back into their platforms and their marketing efforts again.

Jesse Paliotto (03:06)

Yeah, I’m curious like, has there been any changes over the last few years? Has anything kind of modified or is it still the same game as it was from 10 years ago? And is there anything that like founders or marketers should be thinking about like, hey, this is how.

Hank Hoffmeier (03:23)

there’s been changes and then there’s a lot of fundamentals that people don’t even know about. mentioned like dark arts and people don’t know. And oftentimes I go to conferences and I talk about the basics and getting things set up and doing it right so that you are successful right away. And it amazes me how many people in the audience are new to email marketing or have been doing it for a while, but just don’t know some of the things that I end up talking about. And when I started at,

Eye Contact, which is a sister company to Kickbox, both owned by Ziff Davis. You know, I went into account management. said, I know how email works, right? You get a list of subscribers, you create an email, you send it you make money. It’s not that easy. You mentioned it. First, your email needs to get to the inbox. It needs to be viewed. And first and foremost, you need to have a valid email address to send to. And that’s where Kickbox comes in is we validate email addresses.

Now lot of times people say, OK, I’ll upload a list where I’ll connect it to my HubSpot and validate my email addresses or HubSpot said, hey, my list is old, may have a lot of email addresses that are no longer valid, and they’re going to recommend that I go to kickbox to clean my list. And that happens. And sure, by all means, do that. But the missing link, as I call it, is verifying it when it first comes in. Let’s say you have a sign up form.

A lot of your audience probably have has a website. Maybe you have a sign up form or you’re looking to add one. You should be doing that on the fly. If I fill out my the form on your website and I put hank at g nail dot com and I spell it with an N by mistake. I finger it right. The form, if set up correctly with an API, can say, did you mean Gmail and automatically allow them to correct it? Or if I type in Hank FG.

At gmail.com and I didn’t mean to put the FG and it’s an invalid email address. It’ll say this is an invalid email. Just please try again. Custom like Citibank Major League Baseball and Reddit use us in that manner. Not saying only big companies can do that. We also have some partners that work with us to work with WordPress forms with gravity forms, small companies, and they’re able to do that. You can use the API. Anybody can use the API, but first and foremost.

Validate your email addresses, then decide if you want to use what’s called risky email addresses like disposable email addresses. Those are on the rise. That’s one thing that’s changing. Then there’s role email addresses like admin at and marketing at now. Why is that dangerous? If somebody signed up for marketing at whatever company.com, maybe I signed up for your email using that email address. And then three months later I leave the organization and then you, Jesse, you’re checking the emails because you got that new.

responsibility and you say I didn’t sign up for this email. I don’t remember it. You market a spam or you know unsubscribe from it. It’s up to you and the type of business you’re in whether or not that’s important and it also depends on other things as far as your engagement rates. But those are things to look for. Disposables, the role addresses and then there’s the free like do you want to accept Gmail, Yahoo, Microsoft or do you not? Do you only want B2B domains? You might see that you may fill out a form and will say please provide a business email because you tried using a Gmail.

That’s another thing that providers like kickbox and other ones that do validation offer is the ability to filter those out on the fly if you want to, or in a report. Next is email authentication. And a lot of people forget this and years ago, maybe it wasn’t as important and you didn’t really have to do that. What is email authentication? It is basically showing these email providers or the recipient servers that you are safe, secure and trustable.

Jesse Paliotto (07:05)

Mm-hmm.

Hank Hoffmeier (07:06)

And I’m to go into detail here because the first one is SPF and it’s not something you put on your skin to protect you from sun damage, right? It’s called sender policy framework. Yeah.

Jesse Paliotto (07:10)

Yeah, bring it.

I wanted to ask you about this because I feel like these terms

get thrown around and I’m not sure people always know truly what they are. So yeah, do this. This is great.

Hank Hoffmeier (07:21)

Let’s go through this and try to make it understandable. SPF is sender policy framework. This means let’s say I’m sending emails from hankhoffmeyer.com, but I’m using MailChimp. The recipient server is going to say, this email is being sent by Hank, but MailChimp’s actually sending it. Does MailChimp have permission to send us emails? What it’s asking for. Now MailChimp and other providers, they’re automatically going to do this SPF set up for you. And I contact our sister company who I worked for for 13 years.

Jesse Paliotto (07:43)

Mm-hmm.

Hank Hoffmeier (07:51)

They do this automatically. Now you may have another provider or you have your own server. Just make sure you have SPF set up and that would be in say your hosting provider like GoDaddy. I always mention X it’s well known. You go into GoDaddy and you go into your DNS. If you’re technical, you know what I’m talking about. If not use chat GPT, right? Or ask your email provider. How do I set this up?

And then you’re to go in and put a text record in and it’s going to be the SPF record. It’s going to identify, say MailChimp as a sender for me is what it’s doing to dumb it down. Then there’s DKIM, Domain Keys Identified Mail. Simply said, this means that the email has not been altered or changed during transmission. It hasn’t been hacked. It hasn’t been injected with malware. There’s end-to-end encryption. This is something that your provider, email provider, or you need to set up. Most times your provider will send you this information or it’ll be in your control panel.

Go to GoDaddy, whatever hosting provider you have, enter these DNS records and validate it and you can check it and make sure it’s valid. And then the last one is called DMARC, Domain Based Message Authentication Reporting and Conformance. That’s a mouthful. Really, even though it’s the longest acronym, it basically says, do you have SPF and DMARC set up? mean, DKIM set up. And if you don’t, what do we do with this email? What I always recommend is setting it up and then there is pass, fail, and ignore, right? Kind of.

And I would recommend just doing ⁓ doing no, none ⁓ fail and quarantine is what it would be right. None, rejecting quarantine is the correct terms set up as none. What this does is allow you to see if anybody is actually spoofing your emails. Maybe some company from a foreign country is sending emails on your behalf, trying to steal information from people. You can actually see this.

Jesse Paliotto (09:20)

Yes, ⁓

Hank Hoffmeier (09:35)

And a fun thing is you’ll actually see, Oh, it looks like the dev team is actually sending out a newsletter. We didn’t even know about it. And, know, cause you could see that they’re doing that and what email address they’re using and what domain they’re using, but then you can send it to quarantine or reject. And this is going to be something that’s required. The reason why I mentioned these three is these are required right now from Yahoo, Microsoft, and Gmail. If you don’t have this pretty much your emails are going to going to go to spam.

Now you might have a listener that’ll say, well, Hank, some of my recipients are still getting the email and they’re replying to it. I know they’re getting my email. What do you mean? Sure. If somebody is highly engaged and they’re opening, clicking your emails, they’ll continue to get the email. Now somebody going and going to your website and filling out a form and you’re using authentication for a kickbox. Then what happens is they don’t get that welcome email. They don’t get subsequent emails because it’s going to spam.

Another item you can add, and this is not required, optional, it’s called BIMI, brand indicators for message identification. Now, if you look and say Gmail is the perfect way to describe this, you may see either a logo or like a K for kickbox in a circle, like a red circle. The reason why it would be a logo is because BIMI is set up. Again, you have to have SPFD, Kim, and DMARC. You do have to have a verified domain.

There’s a couple options and it does cost some money anywhere from $800 to $1,500. You may need to have a what’s called a VMC certificate and then to go through this process of verifying you own the domain, right? Which is critical for this. And really what that does is it provides a way for users to trust you in the inbox that your domain showing up. OK, this is Best Buy. This is their subject line. I probably can trust them. I’ll open it. Whereas if it’s just Hank Hoffmeier and Assistant H, can you trust that? Maybe, maybe not.

But those are the authentication methods and things that you need to worry about when it comes to sending emails. Right. And I mentioned Microsoft, Yahoo and Gmail. like to call them “Yahooglesoft,” but we can also say MAGY, which would be Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Yahoo, because Apple and I can mean my phones right here. And let’s say I put it face down. I’m not even looking at it, Jesse, and you send me an email and I’m using the built in email

Jesse Paliotto (11:41)

Mm. Yeah.

Hank Hoffmeier (11:54)

app from Apple, right? And I can use that with Gmail, Yahoo, et cetera. It’s going to count as an open whether or not even looked at my email or not. I mean, never look at your email, but it’s going to count as an open. lot of people like to look at opens as a metric of success. In other words, at 20, 30, 40 % open rate where that’s kind of a almost a dead metric. It’s still OK to look at it. Realistically, you want to look at clicks and make sure that people are clicking your email

Jesse Paliotto (12:19)

Well, let me let me let me go back a paragraph. I just want to make sure that I grabbed that, because that was a lot of sort of dense definitions. But I this is my simplistic way that I heard you. So a ⁓ the SPF is a text file. In your. Domain settings the. Or. It’s the host and then.

Hank Hoffmeier (12:39)

or host that mostly most times is the host. But it could be

on the domain. It just depends on how your website set up nine times out of 10. It’s the host.

Jesse Paliotto (12:48)

And the DKIM is an encryption that’s running in order to make sure that contents are not altered during send, right? Okay, DMARC is essentially a policy that runs sort of if-thens, that if it sees these signals, do this with the email, either let it go through, possibly quarantine it, possibly put it into the spam folder. And then BIMI, in my weird brain, it’s the blue check mark on Twitter.

Hank Hoffmeier (12:54)

It’s making sure there’s encryption, yes.

Yes.

Jesse Paliotto (13:15)

You’re paying in order to get a brand trust signal that shows up right next to your message in the inbox. Is that Jesse’s dummy dumbing it down? is that where? The clip notes version. OK, so this is ⁓ before the Apple thing on the 30 % is a really interesting thing. Let me ask you really quick on a sidetrack before we come back to that. What do you see companies messing up? That’s that’s too negative. What’s the biggest opportunity you see that companies have when it comes to?

Hank Hoffmeier (13:16)

Yes.

Yes. Yeah, I like it. What do we call those Cliff Notes? Yeah.

Jesse Paliotto (13:45)

getting what you just said with all those settings.

Hank Hoffmeier (13:49)

When it comes to getting the settings right is they’re not actually implementing it. They don’t have it. They don’t know that they need to implement it and then making sure it’s correct.

Jesse Paliotto (14:01)

Yeah. So just straight up awareness, just knowing that there’s these pieces that need to be put into place. Is the obstacle. Yeah.

Hank Hoffmeier (14:08)

Yep. And there’s a tool. Let me, this is important about my dot email.

If you go there and you recently set up or you want to check your authentication, that’s a good tool about my.email. It will tell you if you have SPF, DMARC and DKIM and even BIMI set up and set up correctly.

Jesse Paliotto (14:27)

that’s a great tip. ⁓ if you’re, you know, shout out to anybody that’s new to the marketing team on the operations team, trying to get a quick read on things, you could go to there and get an immediate readout on your own or potentially even competitors or somebody.

Hank Hoffmeier (14:41)

Yeah, somebody could start in a marketing team and they’re head of marketing and they were told, yeah, we set up authentication years ago or last month. You may want to verify that.

Jesse Paliotto (14:50)

Yeah, does it change over time? Is there anything that would alter ⁓ those settings or once they’re set up they’re permanent?

Hank Hoffmeier (14:57)

Maybe you change the, ⁓ the domain you’re sending from or something like that, usually they’re kind of permanent or maybe you moved from MailChimp to Constant Contact and you never updated your records, right? ⁓ that could be a huge red flag and cause it to fail. And then a lot of people tend to use Microsoft email still.

A lot of times sometimes it’s hard to set up something with what’s called IP lookups because every domain has one or more IPs and I believe that the SPF record holds only about 10. So in other words, if you use it in Microsoft, I think it automatically uses like six to eight, I think. And then if you’re adding five more, it’s going to put you over that limit and it will fail. And there’s workarounds for that. We won’t get into that because it’s like highly technical.

Jesse Paliotto (15:42)

Yeah, interesting. And I know from my experience in SaaS companies, the entire company is often not using the same email platform. So you may have marketing team using MailChimp. You may be having the product team using Railgun or something to shoot out ⁓ system messages. You could be having sales team using other outreach techniques for outbound. So I would say that’s the thing that also strikes me with that is

It’s not just validating one system. It should be across the company, I would guess.

Hank Hoffmeier (16:14)

Yeah, and if you’re using many platforms, make sure you’re synchronizing your unsubscribes because you don’t want to get in trouble there.

Jesse Paliotto (16:20)

Yeah, that’s ⁓ interesting. Yeah. Okay, let’s go back then. Thanks for letting me kind of like circle around for a second there. ⁓ Can you get us back into, so Apple with ⁓ open rates, you’re, and this is going, I’ve seen this in a number of articles, people will talk about this, that your open rate as a metric is no longer as meaningful as it was because your phone is auto opening anything it gets. ⁓ So what do we do with open rate?

Do people still quote benchmarks and say, oh, know, if you’re in this type of business, you should be having a 40 % open rate? Or do you even think about that, or do just throw the whole thing out?

Hank Hoffmeier (16:56)

You can eyeball it and it’s a good way. You know, if your list isn’t holistically changing a lot as a, you know, an informal metric, you know, if you’re steadily in the twenties or going up, then you’re doing well. But if all of a sudden there’s a big drop or a big spike, you might want to look into why that happened. Um, you know, if you added a bunch of, uh, people that may be using Apple, then you obviously know there be some jumps, but most people don’t usually steady grow over time because you should be.

using permission based email marketing. In other words, never buying a list and adding your million email addresses that you purchased because there’s a lot of issues there because not only does Yahoo Google soft require that you have this authentication, they’re also looking at your spam complaint levels. If they’re over 0.3 % or 3 % per thousand of each of these domains, not overall, you will be dinged again. And also

cause what’s called IP or domain reputation damage. The same thing with your bounces, right? And that’s why kickbox is important and validating emails. If you send too many emails to too many emails that are invalid and they bounce again, that hurts your ⁓ reputation as well. And what I’m talking about here is every time you send an email, let’s say I’m using hankhofmeyer.com and I send to a hundred Gmail subscribers. I like to use Gmail cause they’re the most strict with their algorithms, et cetera.

And then over time, 50 % or 50 of them are either bouncing, mark me a spam or worse unsubscribing and even ignoring my emails. That is a bad signal and people don’t realize that. That’s why list hygiene is important. If that starts happening and my credit score is 50, again, I’m going to run into trouble and Gmail, Yahoo, whatever server is going to say, Hank’s not a really reputable sender. Let’s send more and more of your emails.

his emails to the spam folder and that’s what happens. And you mentioned like, what is the biggest thing that marketers either have an opportunity for with authentication, but the biggest overall opportunity is value, right? Making sure that you’re sending emails that your subscribers want that they opted into that’s. Educative, informative or helpful in some way, not what you as a marketer saying, I have the best email in the world and I love it. Everybody else should love it too.

Jesse Paliotto (18:56)

Yeah.

Hank Hoffmeier (19:16)

Make sure you’re sending relevant emails and testing, know, split testing. A lot of these platforms have ways of taking a portion of your list and testing it to see if it’s going to do well because yeah, authentication is important. Verification is important and your IP and your domain reputation is important. I don’t mention IP a lot because usually smaller senders are going to be on what’s called a shared IP like MailChimp constant contact. They have a bunch of IPs that all their customers share.

Jesse Paliotto (19:38)

Mm-hmm.

Hank Hoffmeier (19:43)

But if you’re a huge center and you’re sending millions of emails a day, it might be worth looking into what’s called a dedicated IP, having your own IP address, then you’re holistically responsible for the reputation of that IP address. And how I meant like to mention this is years and years and years ago when spammers would sign up for a service, they would send out spam and it would be the IP reputation that made it an issue, right? Okay. They’re on this IP address. They’re sending spam. Any emails coming from this IP leads block.

Jesse Paliotto (19:51)

Mm-hmm.

Hank Hoffmeier (20:12)

Then they would just say, okay, well I’m leaving this ESP and I’m gonna go over here to this one now and burn their IPs. Then they burn those IPs and they go somewhere else. What happened is there’s been a change. Number one, these providers start blocking people. And then two is the powers that be said, well, let’s start looking at the domain. Okay, if they use this provider and they’re sending crappy emails, that domain reputation is gonna follow you over to this other provider. And that’s what’s happened over time.

Jesse Paliotto (20:40)

Oh, interesting. Thank you. That was a helpful summary because I know I’ve looked at that in the past and tried to track like, why did this reputation, you know, why did it persist? Can you talk a little bit about list hygiene? Because I feel like this kind of gets us into like, if I’ve got 10,000 member list or 100,000 or million, it doesn’t really matter. And I want to make sure that what you’re describing isn’t happening, that people aren’t ignoring, spamming, just throwing in junk.

then know my I’ve heard that you know well you want to clean your list and take away people that are actively not engaged but I’m getting false signals now from my phone or from their phone rather that are auto opening that how do I approach ⁓ hygiene on my list in light of all of that.

Hank Hoffmeier (21:25)

And the advice can be generic and it could also depend on what industry you’re in and how many times you’re sending an email. If you send an email once a quarter versus once a month versus once a week, your timeframes can be different. let’s say average, you want to look at six months. If somebody hasn’t opened and clicked an email in six months, it might be good to put them into a sequence and asking people if they still want to receive your emails.

Now I’ve seen this done well on people that are in our space because we all know marketers know what’s happening. And there’s a newsletter I belong to that every now and then they’ll say, Hey, we all know that Microsoft Yahoo and all these other providers want to see engagement. Please click this link if you want to still receive our emails. I actually got one from a well-known brand doing something similar saying, we noticed that you may not have engaged with our emails in a while.

If you still want to receive our emails, please click this link to let us know to keep sending you emails. Now that was great. Wonderful. The thing I think the mistake they made is I clicked on the link and I went to their homepage. That’s it. Like just dropped on their homepage. You should have a, think in my opinion, have a specific landing page. That’s simple. That just says, thank you for clicking on the link in the email or thank you for letting us know you still want to receive emails from us. Now, if you want to put an offer on that page or put something else, picture of a clown, whatever you want.

Jesse Paliotto (22:31)

Yeah, missed opportunity.

Hank Hoffmeier (22:48)

Just make it so that, like I said, it’s valuable, right? Don’t just drop somebody to homepage and maybe they’re gonna buy something or you were just lazy to set something up. Maybe you do something where you sell something that people don’t buy too often. Like you sell, I used to work with a client that sold reading glasses and also regular glasses. I don’t know if you wear glasses at all or not, but I do. How often would I buy glasses? Maybe the most once a year. Why should I be sending somebody an email once a week, which is what this client was doing?

Jesse Paliotto (23:13)

Mm-hmm.

Hank Hoffmeier (23:17)

We moved to once a month, but then we also started limiting how much promotion was in there. Started providing information like blog posts about organic health for your eyes, how to clean your glasses, repair them, gave them more value to stay in touch with them. So basically my, guess I want to give some advice. Like if you don’t send the emails too often because you say we only send once a quarter because that’s the industry we’re in.

find ways to keep in touch with them and send them an email a little bit more often so that you do have that data and those metrics. And then you use that sequence of emails, send them one email asking if they still want to receive it, waiting a week, two weeks. If they didn’t open that first email, send them a second one. It’s kind of like, are we breaking up question mark, the first one, right? Then they don’t open that. The next one’s like, here’s the divorce papers, right? And then you have some information in there. And then the last one, if they didn’t open the previous two is,

Sign sealed and delivered. We will remove you from now. Hey, maybe email is not your thing. Follow us on Facebook. Follow us on LinkedIn. You know, whatever you want to do. Try to promote that as well, because maybe they’re getting them or they got that last one and they opened it, but they still don’t want to engage with your emails. Maybe social media is their thing. Then follow through and then you can use automation to automatically remove them or manually remove them. The beauty is folks, you can add them back at any time. That’s the thing is they can come back at any time. Some companies just

Jesse Paliotto (24:37)

Yeah.

Hank Hoffmeier (24:41)

Some marketers want to hold onto those email and say, they’re going to open up at some time and we need to be in their inbox even if they don’t open. Because now we also have the AI summaries where Apple is automatically summarizing these emails for you as well. You have to fight that battle too.

Jesse Paliotto (24:56)

Can you talk about that for a second? What does that look like for people that may not have experienced that?

Hank Hoffmeier (25:01)

Right. And there’s no telltale way as to exactly how it’s going to look for each individual person. I can look at my phone right now and any emails that I’ve gotten while we’ve been talking, it would summarize it for me. And it can even summarize that one specific email if I open it at the top. Play around with your copy. Your copy is more important than ever, making sure it’s concise and valuable. This way the summary is going to reflect what you have in your content.

If you’re using a lot of fluff words and you’re not really getting to the point, keep in mind that that could be pulled into the AI summary. And, you know, there’s a lot of jokes going around because some of it’s kind of funny or, know, there’s always there’s been like two I’ve heard where somebody had a death in a family and the summary was just hilarious. And it’s still a work in progress and they’re not going to be perfect, but that is something that we’re all going to have to learn together because it’s kind of newer.

Gmail starting to summarize emails now. If I gave you my work email address and you’re sending me emails, it’s going to summary at the top. Make sure that you’re optimizing for that. It’s almost like SEO and almost.

Jesse Paliotto (26:08)

Yeah, the AI summary with the death of the family, which is very, I mean, it was probably tragic for the person experiencing that. It reminds me of the story from years ago of, I think it was Target’s auto coupons, where I think it was the woman was pregnant and that coupon or something showed up, said, looks like you’re pregnant. Do you need these products? And the husband or somebody didn’t know and that’s how they found out. And it was just like the system is trying to be so smart.

you’ve got to, it can follow you up, you’ve to be smarter than the system.

Hank Hoffmeier (26:42)

Exactly.

Jesse Paliotto (26:44)

The ⁓ with sending. I’m curious because I’ve read recently around long form being making a bit of a comeback and a lot of different channels. Have you seen that with email? know kickbox probably has access to a lot of data. I’m not sure how much of that you can share, but do you have any insights on like in terms of getting engagement so that you do have a list that stays good and people are excited to or at least accepting of receiving your emails?

Is long form back for email marketing or is that largely other content forms?

Hank Hoffmeier (27:18)

It depends. It depends on what industry you’re in, your audience. I do a monthly newsletter and it’s tools I found that made me productive. If I’m going to be speaking somewhere or takeaways from conferences I’ve been to another blog posts I’ve read, that’s a little bit more long form. And I find that people tend to like that. But if it’s something where you’re selling a product and service and it’s you only sell one or two products and service and not like Macy’s where you can put a bunch of products.

Jesse Paliotto (27:48)

Yeah. Yeah.

Hank Hoffmeier (27:48)

It’s not worth having long form. It’s not worth

putting a full product review in an email, maybe put the first two sentences and getting the click to get them to read more. I still think that FOMO wins out, especially with email because we have to get that click through to show engagement, right? Whereas we’re not looking at opens much anymore. ⁓ You could say, Hey, we recently wrote a blog post with the top three ways to whatever.

Right. you can say number one, number two, and then say to read number three, head over to our blog and get them to go over to the blog. Right. You’re giving them the summary, not AI summary, your summary, and then click here to get the third one, which helps with that engagement. I think that people are willing to do that. But to specifically answer the question, it really depends. And also make sure you’re testing and finding out if that’s what and I’m always a fan of polling your audience. Do a survey once a year and ask people.

Jesse Paliotto (28:32)

Yeah.

Hank Hoffmeier (28:39)

Hey, do you generally like longer form content or shorter form content and let them decide. And people tend to say, Oh, well, we know what our subscribers want. No, you don’t. And a lot of times you might get mixed. Then what you can do is say, okay, 50 % of our audience or 49 % of our audience wants long form and 51 want short form. Then you split that audience into two and you put them on two different lists and you react accordingly.

Jesse Paliotto (29:03)

Yeah, testing is always the answer. Like asking and testing. Yes, 100 percent. ⁓ I wanted to ask for a second about regulation or changes or anything you may see coming up in the market around this. I GDPR has been with us for a long time. For those who may not be aware of it, that’s the Europe started ⁓ legal process or not legal process, legal requirement.

For people to opt in and not get spammed to their CCPA, which is the California one which has been more recent I’m curious if you see any other kind of changes standards or whatever else coming down the pike for the world of email

Hank Hoffmeier (29:40)

I think it’s all going to move towards like what GDPR is. And I would just ⁓ plan for that. And the best advice I’ve ever heard from somebody on a legal team was always follow the most strict there is, even if it’s not in your country. In other words, follow GDPR because then you’re covered for CCPA. You’re covered for, you know, Castle Now and, ⁓ and all the other ones that are out there and every state can come up with theirs because the thing is

I can market to someone in the European Union without knowing it. And then I’m on the hook for that same thing with California is if you’re emailing somebody that resides in California and you didn’t follow the CCPA, you can get in trouble. And the punishment’s pretty serious. I would say just make sure you’re doing the right things and make sure that you’re getting those options. I mentioned in beginning, don’t ever buy a list. And more importantly to not more importantly, but also important if you go to say a conference.

and you sponsored the conference and they say, we’ll give you a list for $2,000 of everybody who’s attended. Now, how many of those are going to actually come to your table if you have a table? Not all of them, right? But then you do have the ability to email all of them. But did they specifically opt in to get your emails? Probably not, unless the conference is doing it right. Then you run into the they don’t know who you are. They don’t remember your brand.

They may mark that message as spam, ignore it, or, you know, and all those things and it may bounce. It may have provided a bad email address. That’s why it’s always good to make sure that you have the best possible quality list you can. And with those folks that you meet at conferences too, most times what I recommend is emailing them one off or reaching out through LinkedIn and asking if you can add them to your email newsletter. Not every marketer wants to hear that if they’ve been going to shows and collecting lists of hundreds and hundreds of people.

Jesse Paliotto (31:22)

Mm.

Hank Hoffmeier (31:28)

⁓ I did a talk in Birmingham, UK, and I got the list of people who opted in. I sent them a personalized email video and I personalized each one, 120 people that I got the opt in from. And I just said who I was, gave them the key takeaways and a copy of the deck and a recording of the session afterwards. And I asked them, I have a newsletter. Would you want to sign up for that? I asked them to stay in touch. It was a one and done. And I asked them to stay in touch.

I’m not saying everybody wants to do that, but that is a good tech.

Jesse Paliotto (32:00)

So those were folks that they, because you were a speaker, the event had probably had something that said, you know, if you tick this box, maybe we pre tick this box, you’re giving permission for our sponsors to email market you. But you said, I want more permission than that. And so I’m to do this video tag.

Hank Hoffmeier (32:16)

Yes.

Cause I mean, if I just said, thank you for coming to the IREX conference, the name of the conference, wanted to follow up and tell you more about what kickbox does. They might not remember all that. They may have came to my session, sat in the back and been on their phone the whole time. And they probably might not have remembered me, but majority of them may have. they, and I got a lot of replies, you know, saying it was great and all this, and he appreciated the followup, but there will be those handful that.

Don’t remember who you are. Don’t care who you are. And they’re going to market a spam, unsubscribe, ⁓ ignore it, which hurts your domain reputation, which is what we mentioned. That’s what you’re looking out for most first and foremost, staying legal price. You don’t get fined and then making sure that you are keeping your domain health in check so that your emails get to the inbox.

Jesse Paliotto (33:03)

I love that in the sense that or in multiple sense one is just that it’s true permission marketing because once somebody says actively yes no I want to hear from you I’m going to be more likely now to open your emails because I kind of made this mental decision that I want to hear from you. Also I feel like SaaS companies digital product companies are so many venues where you get that you know when you somebody registers for ⁓ filling out a review they fill out a trial they fill out they attend a trade show they do something where they’re kind of.

kind of giving third party sponsors permission to market to them, but they don’t really want it. And so there’s so many scenarios that, you know, a company may find itself where they technically have GDPR opt in, but do they really have the actual buy in to not get burned in the relationship? And so I really respect, you know, kind of going out and doing the hard work to confirm the relationship.

Hank Hoffmeier (33:54)

Yeah, I like to always say, know, if you’re using a purchase list or using these conference lists, of course you’re to get the flash in a pan moment, right? You may get some sales, you may get some opens, but you’re hurting yourself for the future. Your domain and your IP reputation and your brand reputation is going to start to sink in. Your email marketing efforts will slope downwards and you might even start wondering why, unless you’re listening to this episode, you know why, but if you didn’t, you’ll

Jesse Paliotto (34:01)

Mm-hmm.

Hank Hoffmeier (34:20)

It will start saying, why are open rates so low? Why is nobody clicking our emails? It’s because they’re not getting them.

Jesse Paliotto (34:25)

Yeah. OK, this is a big question. So you can answer to the extent you want. If you could wave a magic wand ⁓ and fix kind of one thing with how most SaaS software, digital companies, do their email, what would that one thing be?

Hank Hoffmeier (34:41)

It’s going to be looking at the program and making sure you’re providing value while sending authenticated emails. That’s simply what it is. And it’s not one simple thing, but yes, just making sure you’re looking at your program and you’re set up correctly as far as setting yourself up for success. First thing is authentication. know, I’m not, mean, sure. Verification is important, but authentication is the king. And then your content and the value you offer is going to be the queen. And after that,

Hopefully everything just goes smoothly after.

Jesse Paliotto (35:14)

Yeah, I love that. ⁓ I think you can we talk for a second. I think you’ve got an offer for the growth stage audience today. We were just chatting for a second before we hopped onto the call. Do you want to talk about that for a second?

Hank Hoffmeier (35:27)

Right. People that come to kickbox and they sign up, they get a hundred free test credits. What I’d like to offer is using growthstage as a coupon code. When you go to purchase credits, maybe after you use the a hundred, if you want to up to you, I want to offer 1000 free credits. In other words, especially if you’re a small company, it would take you a while to get through a thousand free credits. You can test out our integrations, our API upload list. There’s a way to do one. We call it single verification. You can go in and just do one at a time.

Test it out, but yeah, use the code growthstage and get 1000 free credits. I have that set through the end of the year, which is the end of December of 2025.

Jesse Paliotto (36:05)

Awesome. Thank you, man. So much for doing that for the audience. And just to kind of poke at a little bit, because I haven’t used Kickbox yet, although now I’m going to have a thousand free credits to do. The credit is the API validation of the email. So somebody is filling out my free trial form and it double checks. This is a legit email and all of that. that’s actually especially for some for a company that may be either smaller or on the B2B side where there tends to be less volume of lead generation. Yeah, that’s a that could be a substantial runway to get somebody

testing this whole methodology, right?

Hank Hoffmeier (36:36)

Yeah. And we don’t charge for unknown results. There are some servers that may be temporary issues, servers down, or they just flat out refuse to talk to us. It’s called unknown. We don’t charge for those. We also do email deliverability consulting. And if you feel like you have a domain reputation issue or you you think your authentication is not set up correctly and you feel like majority of your, or you know, a majority of your emails are going to spam. We can provide a success plan and strategy to get you back on track.

Jesse Paliotto (37:06)

Man, that is so valuable and I’m not just buttering you up because you’re on the podcast. I’ve just been in numerous scenarios where ⁓ like email deliverability for the marketing operations or sales team can be, you never think about it till it’s wrong. And then all of a sudden it’s a fire and you’re trying to figure out how do I put this out? And so that’s a great shout out for folks that may run into that in the future.

Hank Hoffmeier (37:32)

Yeah, think of it like the credit score, right? You tank your credit score. It takes a long time to come back, right? It takes a while to get down to a low level and it takes a long time to climb back up that mountain. Same thing with email deliverability. Once you know there’s a problem, it’s hard to get back on track again.

Jesse Paliotto (37:37)

Mm-hmm.

That’s so good. Where can people catch up with you, Hank, if they want to ⁓ try and catch you somewhere online after this?

Hank Hoffmeier (37:56)

I always like to say if you search Hank Hoffmeier on Google, I have really good SEO. I show up probably for like the first two pages of results with everything that has to do with me, all my social media channels. The only thing I ask if you’re going to connect on LinkedIn, just make sure you personalize the invite. I have this rule where I don’t accept blind invites, but I’m a marketer, so I will reply and ask you if we’ve met before because I have a bad memory or I’ll offer to have a call with you.

And what’s funny is I keep track of that and I think the metrics still around. I only get a 40% response to that. In other words, it’s just a lot of salespeople trying to pitch me. I even get responses to my reply saying, thank you for accepting my invite. Here’s my sales pitch when I didn’t even accept it. But if you reach out and you say, I met you on the show, I still may actually want to have a call with you because I really covet having a valuable network where I can help you. You can help me and we can have a wonderful LinkedIn relationship together. Otherwise follow me on TikTok, Instagram, all the social channels. I’m always putting stuff out. It’s not all related to email. I do a lot of tips around digital marketing. I’m still trying to get my podcast going again. Hank’s Marketing and Business Tips. There’s probably about almost 300 episodes that are there historically. I hope to definitely get that back up and running and Jesse I’ll have you on too as well.

Jesse Paliotto (39:15)

Oh, I would love that, man. Well, thanks for being here today. I really appreciate it. Thanks everybody else for joining us, for being with us here on Growth Stage. Again, Hank Hoffmeier from Kickbox. Really glad to have him here. I’m Jesse Paliotto. I’m your host. I get to be a part of the digital product community by doing this today, and I’m so pumped about that. And I hope you all have a good week, and we will catch you next time on the Growth Stage.

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How AI Search Is Revolutionizing SaaS Marketing, and What You Should Do About It https://fastspring.com/blog/how-ai-search-is-revolutionizing-saas-marketing-and-what-you-should-do-about-it/ Fri, 18 Jul 2025 02:35:24 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=30510 From zero-click searches, to LLM visibility — see how AI is disrupting SEO and what you can do right now.

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The rise of AI-driven search is transforming how potential customers discover software solutions — and what SaaS marketers must do to stay competitive.

Your potential customers are no longer just Googling “best project management software” or “CRM for small business.” They’re asking ChatGPT to compare your product features, getting personalized recommendations from AI tools, and discovering solutions through conversations rather than traditional search results.

Google still handles more than 5 trillion searches annually, but that dominance is beginning to fray. As highlighted by recent industry research from Pubcon 2025, we’re experiencing a foundational shift: Search is no longer synonymous with search engines. From ChatGPT to social platforms, potential customers are finding software solutions outside of Google — and AI is accelerating this trend.

According to recent survey data, 66% of consumers believe AI will replace traditional search engines within five years, and 82% say AI-powered search is already more helpful than traditional search. 

This shift represents both a challenge and an opportunity for SaaS companies trying to reach customers earlier in their decision-making process.

How AI Search Changes SaaS Discovery

AI search doesn’t behave like traditional search engines, and this has significant implications for how customers discover and evaluate software solutions.

As industry expert Ryan Jones of Razorfish noted, “We used to optimize for humans who use Google. Now we’re optimizing for AI that reads Google for humans.” For SaaS companies, this shift changes everything about customer acquisition.

1. AI Search Provides Direct Answers

Tools like ChatGPT and Gemini synthesize information about your software directly in their interfaces. When someone asks, “What’s the best email marketing platform for ecommerce?,” they often get a comprehensive answer without ever visiting your website. 

Your product pages are no longer the destination — the conversation is the destination.

2. AI Uses ‘Query Fan-Out’ for Software Recommendations

When potential customers ask AI tools about software solutions, these tools don’t just process the exact query. Instead, they generate dozens of related sub-queries to gather comprehensive information about features, pricing, integrations, and use cases. 

This means that your content needs to address not just primary keywords, but the entire ecosystem of questions around your product category.

3. Product Information Is Atomized

AI doesn’t treat your website as a collection of pages. Instead, it ingests and references specific passages about features, pricing, integrations, and benefits. 

Every piece of content on your site — from feature descriptions to help articles — must be self-contained and structured for AI comprehension.

“We used to optimize for humans who use Google. Now we’re optimizing for AI that reads Google for humans.”

Ryan Jones, Razorfish

What This Means for SaaS Marketers

The ground is shifting rapidly, but SaaS companies can take specific actions now to maintain visibility and capture customers in this new landscape:

1. Optimize for AI-Driven Product Discovery

Traditional SEO still matters, but SaaS companies need to think beyond basic optimization. Your technical foundation — site speed, structured data, clean internal linking — remains crucial. But success now requires:

  • Structuring product information for AI comprehension: Create clear, self-contained descriptions of features, use cases, and benefits. Avoid marketing speak that obscures actual functionality.
  • Eliminating content bloat: Remove or consolidate weak product pages, outdated feature descriptions, and redundant content that confuses AI models about your core offerings.
  • Thinking in terms of buyer intent: Structure content around the questions potential customers actually ask, not just the keywords they might search for.

2. Create Content That Answers Software Buyers’ Questions

If your product descriptions are vague, rely on industry jargon, or require context from other pages, they may be ignored by AI tools when customers ask for software recommendations.

Instead, focus on:

  • Clear, benefit-focused feature descriptions that stand alone without additional context.
  • Comprehensive FAQ sections addressing common software evaluation questions.
  • Comparison content that honestly positions your product against alternatives.
  • Implementation guides and use case examples that demonstrate real-world value.
  • Integration documentation that’s easily discoverable and understandable.

The goal is to ensure AI tools have complete, accurate information about your software when making recommendations to potential customers.

3. Track AI Visibility and Expand Your Presence

Only 22% of B2B marketers currently track their brand visibility in large language models, representing a significant missed opportunity for SaaS companies where word-of-mouth and recommendations drive significant growth.

  • Monitor AI mentions: Use tools like SERP Recon and BrightEdge to understand how often your product appears in AI-generated responses. Track whether these mentions are accurate and favorable.
  • Build authoritative presence beyond search: Strengthen your visibility across channels where software buyers gather information:
    • Develop thought leadership content for industry publications.
    • Participate actively in relevant communities (Reddit, Discord, industry forums).
    • Create educational content for YouTube and podcast platforms.
    • Engage with software review sites and comparison platforms.
  • Invest in digital PR and partnerships: Build relationships with industry influencers, participate in software roundups, and collaborate with complementary tools to increase your citation potential.

The New SaaS Marketing Playbook

AI search is no longer emerging — it’s here, and it’s already changing how customers discover software solutions. Organic traffic patterns are shifting, traditional keyword strategies are losing effectiveness, and customers are getting recommendations from AI before they ever reach your website.

An icon of a book surrounded by smaller icons of a browser window, a lightbulb, and a magnifying glass.

This doesn’t mean traditional marketing is dead. It means SaaS marketing is evolving toward a more distributed, conversation-focused approach.

Focus on being discoverable across channels where your customers seek recommendations, not just via search engines.

Focus on content that educates and informs rather than just on converting visitors that are already on your site.

Focus on brand visibility that transcends individual marketing channels and builds authority in AI knowledge bases.

The companies that thrive in this new landscape won’t be those that game the algorithm, but those that consistently provide clear, helpful information about their software solutions wherever customers are looking for answers.

For SaaS, software, and digital product companies, this shift represents an opportunity to build more authentic relationships with potential customers by meeting them where they are — in conversations with AI tools, community discussions, and educational content — rather than waiting for them to find you through traditional search.

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Enhance Customer Experience With FastSpring’s Subscription Pause Feature https://fastspring.com/blog/enhance-customer-experience-with-fastsprings-subscription-pause-feature/ Mon, 09 Jun 2025 19:17:14 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=30436 FastSpring’s subscription pause feature lets businesses retain customers who might otherwise just cancel, a win-win solution for both parties.

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In today’s competitive subscription economy, providing flexibility and value to your customers is essential. FastSpring’s subscription pause feature allows businesses to retain customers who might otherwise cancel their subscriptions, offering a win-win solution for both parties. 

Here’s an in-depth look at how this feature works and why it’s beneficial.

6 Key Benefits of FastSpring’s Subscription Pause Feature

1. Flexibility for Customers

Life can be unpredictable, and sometimes, customers temporarily may not need or be able to afford a service. The subscription pause feature allows them to disable billing and services temporarily without canceling their subscription. This flexibility builds trust and shows that your business values customer needs.

2. Retention Strategy

Rather than losing customers permanently due to cancellations, the pause feature provides an alternative. By allowing customers to pause their subscriptions, businesses can retain them over the long term, improving customer lifetime value and reducing churn rates.

3. Automatic Resumption

Once a pause is initiated, subscriptions automatically resume on the configured date. This eliminates the need for customers to take additional action, making the process seamless and ensuring service continuity when they’re ready to return.

4. Customization Options

FastSpring’s subscription pause feature is highly customizable, allowing businesses to:

  • Define the maximum pause duration.
  • Determine whether customers can initiate pauses themselves or require assistance.
  • Tailor the experience to match their subscription model and customer needs.

5. Reduced Churn

By providing an alternative to cancellations, businesses can significantly reduce churn rates. Customers facing temporary financial constraints or changes in service needs are more likely to return after a pause than if they had canceled altogether.

6. Improved Customer Experience

Offering a pause option demonstrates empathy and understanding of your customers’ challenges, or of even just their usage habits and expectations. Offering a pause feature enhances their overall experience and strengthens their loyalty to your brand. 

For example, a November 2024 Wall Street Journal article cites an Antenna report showing that the rate of streaming service subscribers who canceled one year and rejoined the next increased from a median of 29.8% in 2022 to 34.2% in 2023. Since more and more people may be regularly stopping subscriptions and then rejoining later, making the process easier for your customers can foster goodwill and loyalty, ultimately improving retention.

How to Implement FastSpring’s Subscription Pause Feature

Step 1: Configure Pause Settings

  • Within your FastSpring account, configure the subscription pause settings to align with your business strategy. 
  • Decide on the maximum allowable pause duration and whether customers can initiate pauses themselves. (This configuration setting allows you to choose the number of bill periods the customer can pause for.)
In the Notifications & Retention screen, click the Edit button in the top right corner to get started.
The Pause feature settings are outlined here in orange. See above for a link to our documentation and more step-by-step instructions.

Step 2: Customer Communication

  • Clearly communicate the pause option to your customers. Highlight the benefits, such as avoiding cancellation fees or preserving their subscription benefits upon resumption. The number of billing cycles for which a subscription can be paused is configurable, but it must be set in advance.
  • If the pause feature is not enabled for customers, only sellers can pause subscriptions.
  • The pause applies only to the configured number of billing cycles, and this setting must be saved in the subscription’s configuration.

Step 3: Monitor Paused Subscriptions

FastSpring provides webhooks to monitor and manage paused subscriptions. Use these to identify trends or common accounts, such as common pause durations or reasons for pauses, and refine your strategies accordingly. (FastSpring sends webhooks when a subscription is paused or updated to resume, such as subscription.paused and subscription.updated.)

Step 4: Leverage Automated Notifications

Set up automated email notifications to:

  • Confirm the pause request.
  • Remind customers when their subscription is about to resume.
  • Offer incentives, such as discounts or bonuses, to encourage early resumption.

A Win-Win for Businesses and Customers

The subscription pause feature is a powerful tool that benefits both businesses and customers. By reducing churn, improving customer retention, and enhancing the overall experience, it positions your business for long-term success. Customers, in turn, appreciate the flexibility and understanding, fostering loyalty and trust. A “Pause” option reduces churn by catching these “non-permanent” cancellations.

Buyers feel less pressure and more positive about the brand, leading to higher lifetime value (LTV).

Start leveraging FastSpring’s subscription pause feature today and give your customers the flexibility they need while ensuring your business thrives in the subscription economy.

Are you looking for a merchant of record that will partner with you to grow your business internationally? FastSpring provides an all-in-one payment platform for SaaS, software, gaming, and other digital goods businesses, including VAT and sales tax management, payment localization, and consumer support. Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

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What It Takes to Build an Enduring Business: Celebrating 20 Years of FastSpring https://fastspring.com/blog/what-it-takes-to-build-an-enduring-business-celebrating-20-years-of-fastspring/ Mon, 02 Jun 2025 14:00:00 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=30397 FastSpring is celebrating 20 years! Learn more about how far we’ve come, from four-person startup to industry-leading merchant of record.

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On June 28th, FastSpring will celebrate its 20 year anniversary. A lot has changed since 2005! Back then, everyone was friends with Tom on MySpace, the Beastie Boys had just become “Licensed to Ill,” and iPhones didn’t even exist yet.

Likewise, in the tech-meets-ecommerce space, there were very few SaaS companies out there, live service gaming didn’t really exist yet, and software companies wanting to sell their software globally had very, very few options.

And the options that were available left a lot to be desired. 

That’s why on June 28, 2005, four tech founders — including Dan Engel, current Founder and Managing Partner of Santa Barbara Venture Partners — got together to found FastSpring. 

Twenty years later, we’re still going strong! Now led by CEO David Nachman and backed by Accel-KKR — and with technology more advanced and stronger than ever — FastSpring is celebrating its 20th anniversary by looking back on how we got here, applauding today’s team for our current successes, and looking forward to a bright future in the payments industry as an experienced partner our customers can trust. 

In this special celebratory post, we share:

  • A special twentieth anniversary episode of Growth Stage, interviewing both FastSpring’s co-founder & first CEO Dan Engel and FastSpring’s current CEO David Nachman. Jump to podcast.
  • A brief history of FastSpring, with some fantastically nostalgic photos of the team throughout the years. Jump to history. 

Growth Stage Podcast EP34: What It Takes to Build an Enduring Business

Building a lasting business isn’t easy. 

Knowing what really makes a company succeed long term can be even harder.

That’s why it can be helpful to learn from companies that have stood the test of time.

In this episode of Growth Stage, we celebrate FastSpring’s 20th anniversary with insights from its first CEO, Dan Engel, and current CEO, David Nachman. They share:

  • What has helped FastSpring thrive for two decades.
  • What mistakes to avoid when building your own business.
  • What it really takes to build something that lasts.

Whether you’re planning to exit in two years or fifty, take a moment to step back and think about the long term future of your business. Watch or listen now!

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A Brief History of FastSpring (With Photos)

FastSpring was founded in 2005 with only $30,000, by a distributed team of four tech founders who only all got connected “through the transitive property,” Dan explains. “I only knew Jason, but then he knew Ken, and Ken knew Ryan.” 

The original four founders of FastSpring stand arm in arm.
[Left to right] FastSpring co-founders Dan Engel, Ryan Dewell, Ken White, and Jason Foodman.

Dan had had an idea for a shopping cart upsell product — which didn’t come to fruition — but after meeting Jason Foodman in 2005, Jason pointed out that the upsell product couldn’t even exist unless they owned the shopping cart in the first place. So Dan asked, “Well, what if we create our own shopping cart?” 

And since Jason was already working with someone who wanted to create a product with the ecommerce infrastructure to compete with Digital River, FastSpring was born. 

Dan recalls that he, Jason, Ken White, and Ryan Dewell all connected remotely from four different U.S. states via email and messengers, not even meeting in person for about the first four years as they worked on FastSpring; “Maybe every six months there’d be a phone call.” Dan and Jason handled front-end sales, while Ken led “phenomenal customer service,” and Ryan “just was an awesome coder.” He recalls Ken describing Ryan as “probably the best guy on the planet to build what we were building.”

Since all four guys had been CEOs already, they were all familiar with working on their own areas without needing much guidance. “We split up the business into silos, Dan explains. “Ken handled support, Ryan development, me on the sales side and also all the CEO role, and Jason on the sales side and some other stuff too. And that worked really well.”

The First Mission of FastSpring: The Golden Rule

Just what were the founders of FastSpring trying to build? 

“I think we wanted to build a business that treated its customers the way we thought we should have been treated as software vendors,” Dan says. They each had felt wronged in some way when working with Digital River or with payment companies that weren’t built to work with software companies, so they set out to build a solution with a driving force to “put some good into an industry that had a lot of bad experiences.”

A 2005 FastSpring as BrightMarket web page screenshot.
A screenshot of a very early FastSpring web page (as BrightMarket, before the FastSpring name was adopted).

He also describes Digital River in 2005 — only about nine years old then — as already having become an inflexible “technology dinosaur.” 

“So we wanted to build that next generation system.”

“I think that’s really what our driving force was: to put some good into an industry that had a lot of bad experiences.”

Dan Engel, Co-Founder and first CEO of FastSpring

“And we thought if we were just normal, nice people that cared, we could accomplish that,” he recalls. “And we did. Took a while, but we did.”

FastSpring’s Growth Trajectory

After a humble start in 2005 with only four ambitious people and $30,000, FastSpring took a little while to get off the ground. Dan remembers that “Not raising capital, going slower, sticking with Java, sticking with one developer — all those things made us go slower.”

But FastSpring eventually began growing quickly when they became popular in the Mac software community, which became their initial niche. “Eventually, we took over for Digital River and others as kind of the leading provider for Mac developers,” Dan explains. “But until then, it was a very slow moving train and we didn’t know what was around the corner.”

Besides having next generation technology and blowing away customers with service, FastSpring also offered pricing that contemporary competitors couldn’t beat.

“So how do you get anyone to switch away from FastSpring? They didn’t. We had retained I think 98.7 % of our customers, year after year after year, in an SMB business with thousands of customers,” Dan recalls. “I’m a venture capitalist now; I invest in software companies. I’m yet to find a company in all these years that matches what FastSpring obtained in its metrics.”

“I’m yet to find a company in all these years that matches what FastSpring obtained in its metrics.”

Dan Engel, Co-Founder and first CEO of FastSpring

By 2010, FastSpring had grown significantly, with Deloitte & Touche’s 2011 Technology Fast 500 awards ranking FastSpring the #1 fastest-growing company in the Greater L.A. area and #13 in North America. 

A photo of an old FastSpring trade show banner stating FastSpring is the all-in-one e-commerce solution for game publishers.
FastSpring has a rich history of serving game publishers for selling and monetizing video games.

Four men stand in a trade show booth in front of a yellow and blue backdrop.
A candid photo of FastSpring team members at a trade show pre-2015, with then-CEO Dan Engel, then-marketer Michael Johnson, current Regional Director of Sales NA-LATAM Todd Stellfox, and then-SVP Sales & Business Development Jason Foodman. Todd recently celebrated his 16th anniversary with FastSpring!

11 FastSpring employees stand or sit next to a desk in an office.
Some of the FastSpring team in May 2015, back when the whole team comprised only about 37 people. Can you spot current FastSpring team members Sr. Platform Support Engineer Shawn Auberzinski, Sr. Sales Onboarding Specialist Kevin Galanis, Risk Manager Steven Miller, and Platform Support Specialist Paul “PC” Corlatan?

A 2016 holiday card from FastSpring featuring about 30 small employee photos with funny holiday props.
This employee-forward holiday card from 2016 also features a handful of faces that are still present at FastSpring today!

Then in 2018, Accel-KKR purchased a majority stake in FastSpring. By then, FastSpring counted companies such as Microsoft and Adobe among its customers, with services provided by around 80 FastSpring employees. 

FastSpring’s Mission Today: Unleashing Innovation Around the World

Today, FastSpring is a global leader in the payments, subscriptions, and tax management space as a leading merchant of record. With offices in Santa Barbara, Amsterdam, Belfast, and Halifax, FastSpring has grown to have over 130 employees serving 3200+ companies throughout more than 200 regions, with support for 21+ languages and 23+ currencies — all while filing over 1,000 tax returns every year, so that the companies who use FastSpring don’t have to.

Providing an industry leading platform for SaaS, software, video game, and other digital products businesses to sell and monetize their products around the world is a privilege we’ve earned over the last 20 years, but we haven’t forgotten where we came from. 

Current CEO David Nachman echoes original CEO Dan Engel’s thoughts about FastSpring’s mission, but builds upon it. What gets David excited is enabling and democratizing the software industry so that people anywhere in the world can build software and compete with bigger, more capitalized players in highly developed markets.

“It’s gotten dramatically easier to build software anywhere and do it in a really, really competitive way,” David explains. “What hasn’t gotten easier is selling it globally.” In fact, in many ways, thanks to increasingly complex tax codes, proliferating payments options, and the increase of fraud, selling software cross-borders or monetizing a game outside of an app marketplace has only gotten harder. 

“So you’ve got this paradox of, you can develop software now at any scale anywhere in the world, but it’s not easy to bring it to market successfully without a solution like ours,” he says. “And that’s what we do.”

“By democratizing software development and commercialization of it, ultimately, we’re playing into a trend of unleashing more innovation around the world.”

David Nachman, CEO of FastSpring

“By democratizing software development and commercialization of it, ultimately, we’re playing into a trend of unleashing more innovation around the world,” David continues. “That’s kind of the big lofty mission that excites me. And I think it excites a lot of people here.”

Twenty years is quite a milestone, so we’ll be celebrating all month! That includes cake cuttings and toasts with our team members around the world on June 28, our official incorporation day and 20th birthday. Check back later this month for photos, and here’s to the next 20! 🥂

Podcast Transcript

David Vogelpohl (00:04)

Hello everyone, and welcome to Growth Stage by FastSpring, where we discuss how digital product companies grow revenue, build meaningful products, and increase the value of their businesses. I’m your host, David Vogelpohl. I support the digital product community through my role at FastSpring, and I love to bring the best of the community to you here on Growth Stage. In today’s episode, I’m super excited. What we’re going to be talking about is what it takes to build an enduring business.

David Vogelpohl (00:32)

We’re going to do that through the lens of celebrating 20 years of FastSpring, the company that puts on Growth Stage and joining us for that conversation to celebrate FastSpring and talk about building an enduring business. I’d like to welcome first FastSpring’s original CEO and one of the original cofounders, Mr. Dan Engel. Dan, welcome to Growth Stage.

Dan Engel (00:53)

Thank you very much. I’m excited to be here and I’m excited we made it to such a successful 20 year journey.

David Vogelpohl (01:00)

I can’t imagine what it must be like to look back on your legacy and have this be something so enduring be part of that. And I know you’ve done a lot since then. And I’m kind of curious to learn a little bit more about that here in a bit. Also joining us for this conversation to kind of take a look at the past and where we are now. I’d like to welcome FastSpring’s current CEO, Mr. David Nachman. David, welcome.

David Nachman (01:23)

Great. Well, thank you, David. I’m also super excited to be here and I definitely owe some gratitude to Dan. Wouldn’t be in my role today if it weren’t for what he did 20 years ago today.

Dan Engel (01:30)

Mm-hmm.

David Vogelpohl (01:33)

Now it’s so interesting to think about those long-term effects our short-term decisions sometimes have. And so we’re going to try to peel back as much as we can here on this episode, ⁓ to give folks a view into what it takes to build an enduring business, what mistakes to avoid along the way and how to build a business that stands the test of time.

So ⁓ we’ll kick it off. David Nachman, I’d like to start with you. ⁓ For those, maybe this is their first time seeing the Growth Stage podcast or they’re not familiar with FastSpring. Could you explain what FastSpring is and what you do here?

David Nachman (02:13)

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. What we do is pretty straightforward. We are an end to end e-commerce platform for companies that sell digital goods on a global basis. So it’s often software companies, it may be gaming companies, maybe other forms of digital goods, but the commonality for everybody that’s selling on our platform is they’re trying to reach a global audience, which isn’t really an easy thing to do.

in commerce and payments. There’s a tremendous amount of complexity there. And they’re all selling digital goods. So that’s what we do. I am the CEO of the company. I joined the company about six years ago, just over about a month ago from six years ago.

David Vogelpohl (02:55)

Oh, wow. Congratulations on the six year mark there. A little over 25 % of FastSpring’s history, it sounds like. And then Dan, tell us about your connection to FastSpring and what you’re doing now.

David Nachman (03:01)

⁓ yeah.

Dan Engel (03:07)

Well, let’s see. It was ⁓ 2005 that ⁓ I met our co-founder Jason Foodman. And I had an idea for something we wanted to do having to do with upselling into shopping carts. And Jason said, well, that is a really good idea, but we’re not going to be able to do it unless we own the shopping cart. ⁓

And I said, well, what if we create our own shopping cart? And Jason said, well, it just so happens I’m working with a guy on that concept to compete with Digital River, which was the 800 pound gorilla at the time that had come out in 1994, went public, became worth a billion dollars. And so we decided that we would build that e-commerce infrastructure and shopping cart capability. We never ended up doing my idea

having to do with upsells, but obviously the foundational part that we needed is what became the business over time.

David Vogelpohl (04:05)

And this is you, right? Is this from around the time of the founding? These are the original founders, correct?

Dan Engel (04:11)

Yeah, that could be. I’d have to see exactly what year that was, but that’s uh — Jason’s all the way to the right hand side on the other opposite end of me. then Ken and Ryan. And what’s interesting is I only knew Jason, but then he knew Ken and Ken knew Ryan. So through the, I don’t know, transitive property or whatever it is, we all kind of knew each other. And that’s how we started working together. And we were all in four different states from one another.

And ⁓ we did it despite not being in the same place. And we actually went for about four years, I believe, without ever even seeing each other. Everything was just email and ICQ, which is chat. And maybe every six months there’d be a phone call. But some of the guys weren’t the type of people that were dying to get on the phone or meet in person that didn’t have the same personality as maybe Jason and I did as kind of the more salesy front of the business.

David Nachman (04:50)

Thanks

David Vogelpohl (05:05)

Was that the balance between you four where you and Jason were more on the business side and the other two for Ken and what’s the other person’s name? Yeah, Ryan. ⁓ and they were more technically focused.

Dan Engel (05:15)

Ken and Ryan. Yeah, totally. Yeah,

Ryan just was an awesome coder. He was probably the best guy on the planet to build what we were building. I mean, that’s what Ken said at the time, because he had built a company called RegNow, sold it to Digital River. By the way, all three of the other guys built and sold companies like FastSpring to Digital River. So we knew this space really well, and they knew it even better than I did. But yeah, Jason and I were on the business side, and Ken…

is amazing dealing with people through email. But he won’t pick up the phone. But we had phenomenal customer service that he led. And Ryan just wanted to code and wanted to own it himself. Didn’t want other coders. Didn’t want to spend time managing other coders. He just wanted to build his dream, again, the next generation of what he had built before using Java technology and doing things in a way that would be much more beneficial over the long term.

David Nachman (05:46)

answer.

you

Dan Engel (06:08)

over the existing solutions like Digital River, which became kind of the technology dinosaur that was inflexible. So we wanted to build that next generation system.

David Vogelpohl (06:17)

It sounds like there was a lot of synergy there between you four and a good balance. And it seems like you and Jason were able to kind of team up, I guess, on the business side and then Ken and Ryan on the technical and customer success side. It’s also interesting to hear about your virtual posture as co-founders back in that day and using ICQ and thriving in that kind of environment.

Um, of course, way pre pandemic, this was 2005 when the company was founded. Um, and then to hear about how much Digital River played a role in your company, in your lives back then, and to think of FastSpring’s enduring nature, even going beyond, you know, Digital River, um, uh, offering in existence, I guess, uh, recently kind of winding down there. Um, and to think about how that’s an interesting representation of FastSpring’s enduring

Dan Engel (07:06)

Mm

David Vogelpohl (07:13)

⁓ but maybe that’s one of the ways I might think about an enduring business. ⁓ I’ll start with Nachman on this question. David, to you, what does it mean to build an enduring business? What is that? How do you define that?

David Nachman (07:29)

Yeah, I think, I mean, the first thing I would say for a business to be enduring is it’s got to be adaptable. This business, like just about any business, there’s ebbs and flows and there’s times when everything is going great and there’s times when it’s a lot more challenging. And, you know, in my experience, like there’s a lot of things that need to go into strategy and execution to succeed as an enduring business. But I think the foundation of all of it is the team and the culture.

If you look at the businesses that I think have endured over time, it’s often the team and the culture that really, really stand out because the challenges are going to change over time. And you need a team that knows how to adapt to that. And if you’ve got the right team and people are passionate about what they’re doing, know, in my experience, generally they’re going to figure it out.

None of us have a perfect crystal ball. Certainly, I’m sure Dan, when you started this company 20 years ago, you had no idea what some of the challenges might look like today. But I think you built a great cultural foundation that I think still persists today. I think a lot of the elements of the culture that were there when you started it are still like a real, real strength for us. So to me, that’s kind of the foundation of all of it to build an enduring business.

David Vogelpohl (08:47)

Yeah. I like that idea of flexibility. What’s the saying — “Steady seas don’t make skilled sailors,” and like,

Dan Engel (08:48)

you

David Vogelpohl (08:53)

⁓ being able to roll with the punches and adapt and survive and thrive. I could see that being critical to building an enduring business. ⁓ Dan, what about you? What does it mean to build an enduring business?

Dan Engel (09:06)

Well, it’s kind of the same things because what he’s talking about there about adaptability and flexibility, that’s exactly what I was saying earlier. We specifically built a system from the ground up ⁓ that had the adaptability component that was missing from the competition.

That’s why Digital River doesn’t exist anymore. That’s why we were able to ultimately leave them some degree in the dust because they weren’t able to change with the times. And we knew, because we all had been customers of Digital River. mean, everybody was back then. It’s a long time ago. And we knew that they couldn’t deliver when we needed new functionality and features. They were stuck. Right. So that was a really big part of it. But I think culturally, you know, the biggest advantage FastSpring ever had

was based on culture and how we treated our people, meaning like the employees, the partners we had, and then how that trickled down to how they treated the customers. And we had a theory, which is not too novel, but isn’t practiced as much as it should be, that customers should be treated like gold. And we had happened to be in an industry where the competition felt very much the opposite. ⁓ They just

A lot of these companies were led by kind of arrogant folks that didn’t think too much about the customers. And, you know, you’d write into PayPal, nobody had ever sent you anything back or Digital River couldn’t get your account manager to respond. So we came up with rules like you’re going to hear a response within, I think it was 24 hours, even on weekends, even on holidays, ⁓ guarantees like that. And we absolutely delivered on it. We strive to wow.

every single customer, both the end user and our merchants, you know, the software companies. And the kind of things that they were saying were, and I don’t know if it’s still on the website anymore, but the old testimonials that I used to throw up on the website were like, I feel like I just left the spa, or I’ve never had this kind of experience in a services business before. We were blowing people away. And how were we able to do that when we had like four support reps and our competition had like 250?

because we’re just normal people that cared. That’s all. And those were the kind of people that hired and people like themselves who gave a damn. And we had been in the shoes of the customers who were frustrated working with Digital River. So we tried to build a business that would be the opposite. And it totally worked. And also it’s an advantage that we had, which didn’t really cost money, that nobody could beat. No competitor could beat. They could try to match it.

you know, blowing away your customers and wowing them with the experience, but they couldn’t ever beat it. And so part of what made the company so enduring is we had low prices and couldn’t really beat us on pricing. We had next generation technology instead of kind of the inflexible dinosaur tech of our competitors. And we blew you away with customer service. So how do you, how do you get anyone to switch away from FastSpring? They didn’t. We had retained

think 98.7 % of our customers year after year after year in an SMB business with thousands of customers. I’m a venture capitalist now, I invest in software companies. I’m yet to find a company in all these years that matches what FastSpring obtained in its metrics.

David Vogelpohl (12:16)

I can attest that nature has lived on and we see similar levels of success in ⁓ our business today, including winning awards like a ⁓ gold Globee and silver Stevie for that customer success. I think that foundation you laid and the seeds you planted are still bearing fruit.

Dan Engel (12:37)

Good. That’s great to hear.

David Vogelpohl (12:39)

Excellent. Yeah. Super cool to see that, ⁓ endure the test of time. Cause I know service can be one of those areas that definitely erodes over time, especially over like a 20 year history. ⁓ it was also interesting to hear you talk about how, if you have a team, if you hire a team and develop a team who cares, that’s like so critical to building that differentiation in that enduring nature.

And I thought that connected well to what David had shared a little earlier around flexibility and developing teams in that same way to address challenges that you have no idea what’s coming around the corner. ⁓ and I thought that was an interesting connection there. ⁓ speaking of like how, speaking of missions by sake of example, what was FastSpring’s mission in the beginning, you talked about like being better than Digital River, but like, was it more than that? Like, how did you view the mission of the company at that time?

Dan Engel (13:33)

I think we wanted to build a business that treated its customers the way we thought we should have been treated as software vendors. Everything that was wrong with the experience of working with Digital River and its competitors and non-software specific platforms like PayPal, we wanted to correct that because we felt wronged ourselves.

⁓ So I think that was a big part of the mission. And we thought if we were just normal, nice people that cared, we could accomplish that. ⁓ And we did, took a while, but we did. And we did displace a lot of those alternatives. ⁓ mission-wise, I think that’s really what our driving force was, ⁓ is to put some good into an industry that had a lot of bad experiences.

David Vogelpohl (14:21)

David, 20 years later, how do you define FastSpring’s mission now?

David Nachman (14:26)

Yeah, so I think a lot of what Dan just shared is still very true and very important in what we’re doing. ⁓ What gets me excited is kind of the bigger trend we’re playing into in enabling. And for me, it’s about democratizing the software development industry. And what I mean by that is if you look over the last 20 years, since the company was founded, barrier after barrier has come down that allows people

to build software anywhere in the world at any scale and compete with much bigger, much better capitalized players in highly developed markets. going way back, open source, developer tools, cloud computing, online marketing, now we’ve got the AI boom. So it’s gotten dramatically easier to build software anywhere and do it in a really, really competitive way. What hasn’t gotten easier?

is selling it globally. It’s actually kind of gone in some respects in the opposite direction. Tax complexity around the world has gone up a ton. Enforcement has gone up a ton.  The regulatory environment around data has gone up. Payments has gotten a lot more complex. The proliferation of payment methods around the world uh is pretty incredible, and the adoption of a lot of these payment methods  is really high. Fraud

⁓ is going up. I don’t know if it’s exponentially, but it’s certainly going up at a high rate and the complexity of that fraud is going up. So you’ve got this paradox of, you can develop software now at any scale anywhere in the world, but it’s not easy to bring it to market successfully without a solution like ours. And that’s what we do. ⁓ and if you look around the world, there’s, know, no monopoly on development talent in places like Silicon Valley. And there’s talented developers everywhere in the world now.

but there were barriers to them competing. So By democratizing software development and commercialization of it, ultimately, we’re playing into a trend of unleashing more innovation around the world. That’s kind of the big lofty mission that excites me. And I think it does excite a lot of people here.

Dan Engel (16:18)

you

David Vogelpohl (16:39)

Excellent. Love hearing that. ⁓ Dan, so we’ve talked about like it’s a 20 year episode, right? So we’re doing like the worm and fuzzy stuff, but I want to go to like the stuff that made you lose sleep at night in the early days of FastSpring. Tell me about a big mistake you made that like almost tank the company or just like took you in a really bad direction. I mean, we are publishing this, so like take that into heart there, but

Dan Engel (16:53)

So.

David Vogelpohl (17:08)

Was it, was it deprecating this website? mean, this is a fire of a 2025 website, but like, me about the mistakes you

Dan Engel (17:11)

Ha ha!

looks a little pruney to me. ⁓ Well, obviously we made lots of mistakes. think, you know, one key decision was we kept coding really just within Ryan’s domain and didn’t hire a bunch of developers. And I think there were benefits to that and costs. And sometimes we were frustrated we weren’t going faster. ⁓ Because when we came out, a company also came out around the same time. unlike us who did everything

by the way, with $30,000, I put ten grand in, that’s all I ever put into FastSpring. We had a competitor, the head also sold their company to Digital River and they put like 35 or 50 million into their company and they started eating our lunch. So that made us kind of frustrated and concerned because they were getting a lot of clients we had hoped to get. So that was one decision. And also I think using

Java, think, had a lot of benefits, but also I think it slowed us down as well. Now, in the long term, it was beneficial and a great decision because it kept us flexible and extensible. But let’s see. So one of the scarier things that happen is, so when you’re processing payments, there’s risks that you might process in payments that are violations of, say, your relationship.

in your agreement with say a Visa or MasterCard. And we got really good at policing and avoiding any transactions going through the system that would violate any of those agreements. like with hackers, you figure out a solution to avoid the hacking and then the hackers find a way around it and then you find a solution to solve that and then they find a way. So it wasn’t perfect, you know, it’s life. And we had a particular incident where some

content got through that we did processing for is a tiny amount, but it still was very problematic. And that was very costly to us. We had to deal with MasterCard and you know, to have an angry MasterCard is a real problem because you can’t stop working with MasterCard if you’re accepting credit cards, right? That kind of got this duopoly or whatever you want to call it. So that was an example of a really scary experience when we had to deal with, you know, people like Visa MasterCard and

some of the risks around processing that could have really hurt our business and changed things. ⁓ And I would say, in terms of the team that we had, we got along incredibly well. It probably didn’t hurt that we weren’t in the same office and hardly ever saw each other. That can really have a lot of benefits. The biggest fight we ever had, and when we had it, I thought, my God, this is gonna be such a battle for years, was picking the name.

⁓ After we had that, that was like a real battle and I didn’t know what the future would bring. And we went years and years with really not having any fights, maybe until the end when we were selling the business and not everyone wanted to necessarily sell at the same price and money gets people to fight. But ⁓ other than that, ⁓ we really made a great call with the kind of team that we had as founders because we had a team of four former CEOs.

which meant we were all able to kind of do our own stuff without anybody needing to help us. Right. And so we, we, we, we, we split up the business into silos, Ken handled support, Ryan development, me on the sales side and also all the CEO role and Jason on the sales side and some other stuff too. And that worked really well. but, ⁓ anyway, so those are some thoughts on some of the things that were challenges over the years. and,

not, raising capital, going slower, sticking with Java, sticking with one developer. All those things made us go slower. And for me, made me anxious. ⁓ but some of the other partners, they were okay with waiting and having the business take a long time. And it sure did. My wife, ⁓ nicknamed it “SlowSpring,” ⁓ because, ⁓ you know, it was like year three and a half or something and we still weren’t getting anywhere. And I kept telling her, it’s right around the corner.

David Nachman (21:15)

it.

Dan Engel (21:22)

Finally, things picked up. They picked up because we became popular in the Mac software community. We found a niche, right? ⁓ I don’t know what would have happened to FastSpring if we hadn’t found that niche. ⁓ But eventually we took over for Digital River and others as kind of the leading provider for Mac developers. But until then, it was a very slow moving train and we didn’t know what was around the corner.

David Vogelpohl (21:44)

think that’s a bold lesson for people watching and listening who are just starting out and thinking about how to get traction about how you were able to kind of niche down in your core ICP and find that, you know, kind of handhold foothold to start moving further up the mountain. I also thought you had tension in some of the mistakes where you talked about the desire to go faster and invest more, but then you talked about growing pains around things like dealing with hackers and

maybe processing transactions you shouldn’t have and how that affected and put risk into your business. And so like with FastSpring, you know, we’re offering payments and subscriptions and tax compliance and a lot of startups are like compliance. What are you talking about? I’m blowing and growing. I’m, ready to go. Do you think that like maybe moving slow and being more purposeful did have value other than just being, you know, “SlowSpring” and making you a little frustrated with the growth?

Dan Engel (22:41)

Probably. Two of my partners would say definitely yes. They would be, yes, they are more patient people than I am.

David Vogelpohl (22:44)

Would those be Ken and Ryan?

Nice. I like that. ⁓ But yeah, I think about that a lot, you know, in this day, I don’t know how much you’ve kept up with the merchant of record space, but there’s a decent number of startups getting into it. And so I just imagine what it must be like to start from near zero and develop these rules, and this experience, and this understanding, and a platform that reacts to it all. ⁓ Certainly a grand adventure, but definitely no easy task.

Dan Engel (23:15)

Yeah.

It

was, and I think one error was that we didn’t really have expertise in the whole merchant account payment processing business. I mean, yes, software and what used to be called shareware, and the Digital River side of things. But the actual — like all the intricacies of working with like, Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AmEx, PayPal, and doing global payments and different currencies and different really didn’t know that stuff.

And so sometimes we learned some hard lessons because of our ignorance. ⁓ It would have, if I were to do it again, I would bring someone involved in the early days who really had spent, I don’t know, 20 years in that payment we didn’t have to figure out what we didn’t know. I think that was costly to us. And I think that was something missing, a missing ingredient that fortunately, we were successful despite it.

David Vogelpohl (24:07)

Did you underestimate the complexity of payments?

Dan Engel (24:10)

I think so. Yeah, I think so. ⁓ And the deep understanding that was needed to really know what we were working with and what we were doing and how it was viewed by others playing all different roles in the industry, the ISOs, IPSPs, the Visas and Mastercards, the acquiring banks, the gateways, we just didn’t really have a great understanding of how all of those different parties were seeing us in their world.

And so we didn’t necessarily navigate it the best way that we could have if we had known more.

David Vogelpohl (24:45)

Sage advice. ⁓ As you look back at your time with FastSpring, founding it, bringing it up, eventually selling it, and the roles and companies you’ve led since then, what lessons did you learn in your FastSpring days that you took forward into your future adventures?

Dan Engel (25:03)

Well, you know, we built FastSpring to not be able to fail because we had all been serial entrepreneurs and had built businesses. Some worked, some didn’t. And one thing that I figured out is if you don’t have a clock tied to money and burn, it’s really hard to go out of business. so…

We built the business from scratch with almost no money. Like I said, I put in 10 grand and the co-founders contributed their time for no cash, just for equity, right? Significant equity, founders equity. ⁓ And so the only way the business could fail is if we lost interest. Nothing external could really make us fail. It really was in our control. So it’s a question of, we lose interest before we get enough customers that this business is big enough that we care about it? And it’s making a difference for us. So with that,

⁓ It gave us quite a runway to be able to figure things out, which took really four years to really start taking off. And believe me, the first three years wasn’t just fun. And of course, while you’re building it, you don’t know if you’re ever going to make it, so you might be wasting your time. So it’s not always the most motivating every day. But I’ve built every business since like that, ⁓ where it’s either profitable for day one or it just doesn’t have that burn and that pressure.

Because what’s the number one reason businesses go out of business? They run out of cash. So if you can get rid of that risk, you’ve got a really good chance of making it. So I’ve had a lot of successes in my career. FastSpring is one of them. There’s a whole bunch of other things I’ve done and all that. And the thing that they all have in common is they all failed before they succeeded. I mean, people don’t see that. They just see the news headlines and great exit for FastSpring, or Picasa, or what I did at Google, or

GoTo Meeting in Santa Barbara. But all those things failed first. So the only reason I’ve been able to figure out how to build these businesses successfully now, including my venture capital firm, is because of all the things I did that failed in the past. And so I think that’s the biggest lesson that I bring forward to every business I do and hope to pass on to other entrepreneurs and to my children and whatnot, that it’s really the failures where you learn how to succeed.

David Vogelpohl (27:12)

I imagine what that must be like. So these are the years and the number of employees from back in those days. And you were saying like, it really took you better part of this time period to get it ramped up. And then you can start to see the business grow over time. It’s very efficient business still during that time.

Dan Engel (27:29)

Well, keep in mind, so in 2013, that was 23. They weren’t really employees, 12 full-time. The rest were part-time contractors. We made them employees later after we sold the business. But that was at a time we were doing over $100 million in revenue. We had 12 full-timers. So it was very efficient and we did not in any way measure ourselves by number of people. It was by revenue and profit.

David Vogelpohl (27:51)

That’s great to hear. ⁓ so Dan has founded the business with his co-founders and they’ve gone on this grand adventure, eventually selling the business. ⁓ Nachman, tell me the backstory between about when you joined the business and what you were kind of doing right before that.

David Nachman (28:11)

Yeah,

I’ve been in B2B tech just about my whole career. Immediately before joining FastSpring, I was running a business that had a very highly tailored content management platform for local government.

So it was cities and counties, they would host a website on it, but also we would power a lot of the constituent facing functionality. you we sort of powered the digital city hall strategy that, you know, a lot of local governments are moving towards. We had sold that business to someone who was really consolidating all of the gov tech industry.

Dan Engel (28:32)

.

David Nachman (28:53)

And I found my way indirectly to FastSpring, was drawn to it for a whole host of reasons. But that’s ultimately, you know, what brought me here or the backstory in terms of what I was doing before I got here.

David Vogelpohl (29:08)

And then as you entered the business, what were your perceptions at that time? ⁓ How did you think about FastSpring’s mission then versus now? ⁓ We had this great meeting the other day where we were like, where did you get wrong about FastSpring when you first joined the company? What about for you, David? What did you get wrong about FastSpring when you first joined?

Dan Engel (29:24)

Okay.

David Nachman (29:29)

Yes, I think some of

the same things that Dan mentioned. I’m not sure that I necessarily underestimated the complexity of payments, but I’m not a payments guy by trade and experience. We had a lot of generalists even at that point in the company. We had a lot of really passionate, a lot of really talented people. And I’ve kind of always been one of those people who believes, OK, if you get the

know, get smart people that are driven, they’re going to figure out problems. And yes, but they’re not going to figure them out as quickly. In many cases, it’s someone who’s got the pattern recognition of having seen that same problem 15 times before. ⁓ And I think I waited a little too long ⁓ to really bolster a lot of our domain expertise in the business. And as I started to do that, ⁓ just

Dan Engel (30:05)

you ⁓

David Nachman (30:23)

What it did in terms of accelerating the business was pretty profound. And it was one of those where I sort of stepped back and said, wow, I should have done that a long time ago. I’d say the other thing is when I came into the business, my perceptions were very positive of the business. Great solution, great customers, business growing at a very healthy clip. So it was a very healthy business. wasn’t a turnaround of any sort. It was how do we take it to the next level?

Dan Engel (30:30)

Okay.

David Nachman (30:52)

So what was missing in my mind was that it really wasn’t built to scale

to anywhere, you the size we are today or, where we think we’ll be over the coming few years. And like a lot of small businesses, a lot of single points of failure, you know, some of that was people, some of that was vendors, some of that was technology. The business sort of survived and thrived on individual heroics. So, you know.

not a lot of ⁓ systems in place, processes, et cetera. And we didn’t really have a leadership team that had scaled to where we wanted to go. So I felt like we did need to bring in people that were more experienced and kind of knew the journey that we were embarking on. And I think a little bit of what I got wrong there.

⁓ in some of these initial hires was I was very focused on getting people that, you know, kind of knew how to operate at scale. And culturally I missed on some of them in terms of abandoning a lot of what’s made the company so special and so effective, which is kind of the entrepreneurial scrappiness. And it’s a, you know, it’s a rare breed of person that has that hands on entrepreneurial scrappiness and can also scale. ⁓ you know,

Dan Engel (32:08)

you

David Nachman (32:14)

Often those are great founder type people that could do magic that a lot of more experienced company people can’t do, but they don’t scale as well. ⁓ So initially I did bring some of those people in and it just, they weren’t the right fit. ⁓ And over my first few years here, I started to really realize what’s the culture that really correlates with

success in our particular business. And part of it is this is the most dynamic, most complex business I’ve ever been at for its scale. I mean, we’ve got a very global footprint. We’re operating in highly regulated industries. We’re dealing with payments. We’re dealing with software. We’re dealing with complexity around tax. We’re dealing with a lot of regulation around data. It’s kind of infinitely complex. And this goes back to this notion of adaptability. ⁓

Dan Engel (32:47)

Okay.

David Nachman (33:11)

You have to have some level of scrappy entrepreneurialism to thrive in this business. But it also has to be paired with, you know how to scale a business and it’s not all about, hey, I’m just going to do the heroics to get us to the next challenge. It’s no, I’m going to build a foundation where if I’m not here, this business will still run quite well. So.

Dan Engel (33:25)

you

David Nachman (33:37)

So I think, you know, there are definitely things I got right, but there were some things I got wrong in trying to make that transition from more of a startup company to a really scalable company.

David Vogelpohl (33:48)

Yeah, that’s kind of like an awkward teenager-y zone a little bit. that’s a whole, sorry, go ahead.

Dan Engel (33:48)

Hm.

David Nachman (33:51)

That’s right. ⁓

We definitely went through our awkward teenage phase. I hope we’re out of that now.

David Vogelpohl (33:57)

Yeah.

Knock on wood on that one for sure. I still got to build the enduring business of the future, right? ⁓ We’re kind of getting towards the end here, so I want to make sure to hit on a couple of things here in the last little bit. Nachman, since I’m on you, I’ll stick with you for this one. But if somebody’s out there and they have a startup and they’re listening to all these points of view,

David Nachman (34:03)

That’s right.

David Vogelpohl (34:22)

maybe taking some notes along the way, but what’s the one thing that that person should ⁓ get from listening to you about building an enduring business? What’s your number one piece of advice?

David Nachman (34:33)

It’s embrace change and change before you have to. ⁓ You can’t build an enduring business doing the same thing for any period of time. period of time is shrinking with every given year. mean, given what’s going on with AI right now, ⁓ know, the timeframes over which things evolve is just collapsing. it’s, you know, constantly think about how your business is going to be.

reimagined and go do that. ⁓ Don’t let somebody else do that to you. You’ve got to get out in front of it.

David Vogelpohl (35:08)

Great one, embrace change and change before you have to. ⁓ Dan, what about you?

Dan Engel (35:14)

⁓ I would say treating your own people extremely well and having that then trickle down to how they treat your customers and the concept of treating your customers like gold and bending over backwards to ensure that they are just wowed by the experience of working with you compared to what they’re used to from alternatives. And then I think in terms of building a business, removing the obstacles as much as possible that

lead companies to fail, including dealing with things like burn upfront.

David Vogelpohl (35:46)

I it. I love the people first thing. I think this is like the Dan Golden Rule. Treat others as you want them to treat your customers. I love it. ⁓ All right. ⁓ Last question. Sorry about that little mic pop there. Dan, um we’re going to show this recording to the FastSpring team and they’re pretty much all going to listen to it and watch it. Do you have a special message for them to celebrate the 20 year FastSpring anniversary?

David Nachman (35:53)

Thank

Dan Engel (36:16)

A special message. Well, you know, I guess, you know, it’s I’m glad that everybody’s part of something with the humble roots and mission that we originally started on to try to offer a better alternative in an industry that was plagued with some negativity. But I think, ⁓ you know, I challenge everybody to really think about how to make the next 20 years of FastSpring successful, dealing with all the change. Change has been a big ⁓

theme here in our conversation. So we have all the different things happening around, say, AI, or how people purchase software, or what Apple’s Store looks like, and what they can and can’t do. All different facets are going to continuously change. And so I hope folks are thinking about how they can continuously adapt to ensure that FastSpring survives and thrives through all the shifts ahead. Some will be good and some will be bad for the company so that we can have this kind of a conversation again after another 20 years.

David Vogelpohl (37:12)

Nice, I like it. Dan, thank you so much for joining us for this conversation. It was super interesting to hear about your backstory and some of the things that went into building such an enduring business. But thank you so much for joining us today.

Dan Engel (37:27)

You betcha. Thanks for having me and congratulations on the 20 years and thanks everyone for doing such a great job at the business.

David Vogelpohl (37:33)

Thank you, of course. then David, thank you for joining and picking up the torch and then sharing your backstory here at the helm.

David Nachman (37:41)

Well, thank you for having me. I’ve enjoyed the discussion. I’ve learned some things about the business. I don’t think I knew Dan, so it’s fantastic to get the time to interact and learn a little bit about our roots and history.

Dan Engel (37:50)

Okay.

David Vogelpohl (37:52)

Excellent. And for those watching and listening, if you’d like to learn more about FastSpring, you can visit FastSpring.com. Thanks for joining us for the Growth Stage podcast. I’ve been your host, David Vogelpohl. I support the digital product community as part of my role here at FastSpring. And I love to bring the best of the community to you here on Growth Stage. Thanks everybody.

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How Excire Simplified Their International Software Sales (and Taxes) With FastSpring https://fastspring.com/blog/how-excire-simplified-their-international-software-sales-and-taxes-with-fastspring/ Fri, 02 May 2025 17:46:56 +0000 https://fastspring.com/?p=30363 The Excire team found that FastSpring greatly simplified international payments and sales taxes and set them up for continued global growth.

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As your software business grows large enough to expand into more countries or regions, the system — or multiple systems — you use to sell it can become more and more complex. 

Or, you can simplify the system with one global merchant of record. 

When Excire became a popular enough product line that it was being sold in both Europe and the U.S., Managing Director Mathias Martinetz and CTO Thomas Käster knew their current online checkout setup — having one solution for Europe and one for the U.S. — was not efficient. 

Mathias Martinetz and Thomas Käster wearing white Excire sweatshirts in front of a light brick wall.

“And we had a lot of manual work,” Mathias says. “Basically, each and every sale had to be manually organized and given to our tax advisor.”

And if they wanted to continue scaling their business and expanding into more countries, they needed a better system. 

That’s when they discovered the merchant of record model and, subsequently, FastSpring.

Completely switching online commerce systems can be daunting, especially when switching from one type (such as a very basic online checkout or web shop system) to another (such as a comprehensive merchant of record). But Mathias and Thomas did their due diligence, and they’re glad they found FastSpring.

Here’s what they did to ensure they’d find the right merchant of record (MoR) and have a successful transition.

Are you looking for a merchant of record that will partner with you to grow your business internationally? FastSpring provides an all-in-one payment platform for SaaS, software, video game, and other digital goods businesses, including VAT and sales tax management, payment localization, and consumer support. Set up a demo or try it out for yourself.

Excire Needed a Simpler Payments and Taxes System

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As the product line grew in popularity and the team was able to move from only selling Excire in Europe to selling it in the U.S., they found themselves with two separate shop systems. 

“As we were growing and wanted to grow more, we were looking for a solution that would allow us to have only one shop, but that could also be used around the world,” Mathias recalls. 

Headshot of Mathias Martinetz with his name and job title Managing Director above the Excire logo.

Thomas adds, “We encountered some technical challenges, which is to be expected when managing an ecommerce system independently. Additionally, we faced issues with our tax workflows, which were no longer sufficient to support the level of growth and scaling we had already achieved.”

Headshot of Thomas Käster with his name and job title Chief Technical Officer above the Excire logo.

They appreciated the value of offering localized currencies and payments to buyers, but as it was already unwieldy to have two online shops for two regions, they didn’t want to add more shops as they moved into new regions. They also knew they didn’t like managing all the sales taxes the way they had been, and that more growth would only make that even more difficult.

There had to be a better way, so they started looking around to see what other companies were using. 

Mathias and Thomas reached out to some contacts of theirs at another software company, and that company referred them to FastSpring. 

“The interesting thing for us is,” Thomas says, “if I see similar companies using FastSpring in the same way as we’d like to use it, that’s a good sign that FastSpring was the right decision for us.”

Without having to think for very long about it, they can easily list a handful of software companies in their industry who also use FastSpring, which makes them even more confident about their decision. 

Talk to Similar Businesses About THEIR Experiences

Besides just noting that many businesses like theirs were already using FastSpring, Mathias and Thomas recommend asking them for more information about what it’s actually like to use a particular payments platform or merchant of record. “Get their experience,” Mathias advises. 

Thomas adds, “In the end, you never know, right? When you decide to switch off an existing technical system completely and onto a completely new system, you never know if it will be the right decision.” So besides just observing what your own competitors are using, reach out to businesses you’re friendly with and “Talk a lot to the people.”

Pay Attention to the Responsiveness of Each MoR’s Team as You Begin Reaching Out

Excire was fortunate to have a very short list of possible ecommerce solutions, as FastSpring seemed like the clear winner just based on how many other companies were already using it. 

But if you have a few options on your list — or if you want to validate that the one you’re leaning toward is eager to meet your needs – you can learn a lot from how a possible vendor’s team responds to your initial inquiry. 

This may seem counterintuitive, as most people and organizations will be eager to ensure the first experience you have with them is excellent. And Thomas says that it’s not always easy to make a decision based on those first impressions. 

But he clarifies, “Even from a first impression, the FastSpring team does a better job than the competitors.” The Excire team had also approached an MoR company that had a team based in Germany, so Thomas and Mathias could speak with that team in their native language. 

“But the first contact with them was not as good as the first contact with FastSpring,” he continues. Besides the technical requirements he wanted to ensure were met, “The way the team took care was very important for the final decision to go with FastSpring.”

Define Your Needs Clearly and Communicate Them to Potential Vendors

Observing competitors, talking to similar businesses, and initiating contact with various vendors are all important parts of the external planning phase when evaluating a new ecommerce system, but there’s an important internal planning phase too. 

As Chief Technical Officer, Thomas is very hands on with the technical aspects of their various systems, so he knows how important it is to know what you need and communicate that to potential payments platforms. 

He explains it this way: “Summarize and describe your own necessities, or the aspects that are most important to you. Especially, what are the requirements of such an ecommerce system? When you explain it in the best way you can, then you’ll get the best, most concrete answer from the FastSpring team.”

There were several sessions back and forth between the Excire team and FastSpring as they worked through the technical details of what their team needed and how FastSpring could meet those needs. Thomas said those sessions helped them “come to the point where we were really sure about our decision to go with FastSpring.”

He continues, “I guess this is something every company needs to do on its own first: to check all the aspects that are important to them, and to communicate those aspects in a clear manner.” 

Besides wanting to combine their international payment systems into one simpler system that could continue expanding their global sales, Thomas and Mathias were also looking closely at competitive pricing, payment failure systems, ease of international pricing management, newsletter systems, subscription capabilities, and integrations. 

The Excire team also found FastSpring’s pricing better than the other merchants of record they evaluated.

Upgrade to a Merchant of Record Like FastSpring

It was looking at and talking to companies similar to Excire that tipped off Mathias and Thomas to the merchant of record model as the answer to their global payments and taxes question.

“That’s how we found out that the solution could be a merchant of record,” Mathias says. “So that’s how we got more into it and found out that there is an advantage: that all tax and currency related activities can be handled much, much easier than if we would do it on our own.”

Switching from separate systems for different regions to one global solution would be an upgrade, but finding an ecommerce model that also managed sales taxes and VAT for Excire sales would provide an even greater improvement to their operations.

Screenshot of Excire checkout on FastSpring with three items in cart on left side and checkout fields on right side.

FastSpring has also made many of the smaller, day-to-day management tasks easier. For example, Mathias says that “We can easily define prices worldwide; that’s quite smooth. And it was helpful to implement a subscription model, right, Thomas?” 

“Yeah, that’s for sure,” Thomas adds.

When Excire initially launched on FastSpring in 2023, they ran into some challenges with email and analytics integrations. The FastSpring team worked hard to meet Mathias’ and Thomas’ needs, prioritizing additional help for the Excire store integrations and finding ways to meet their needs.

Thomas says of their more recent subscription launch, “This kind of integration was very easy.” He says that their integration requirements may be more complicated to fulfill than some companies’, but that the communication between FastSpring and their licensing vendor has been “really easy and robust.”

Partner With FastSpring to Simplify Your International Software Sales

Are you looking for a merchant of record that will partner with you to grow your business internationally? 

FastSpring provides an all-in-one payment platform for SaaS, software, gaming, and other digital goods businesses, including VAT and sales tax management, payment localization, and consumer support. 

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